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Permalink Reply by Alan Starcher on May 20, 2011 at 3:44pm

I found the body language most interesting.  While making his points, Mr. Netanyahu leaned towards his counterpart and often glanced up at the audiance and Mr. Obama, looking into his eyes and face as he was speaking.  Mr. Obama was frozen in his chair, left hand bracing himself on the armrest, while his right hand was pressed tightly against the side of his face towards the camera, and he basically glared at the prime minister.  It seemed that he was trying to mask his emotion from the camera and audience by holding his hand against his cheek and covering his mouth with that peculiar grip on his jaw.  As far as the words that each man used -- one spoke as a college professor would, couching his language in elaborate phrasing while the other minced no words and spoke in straight-forward phrases such as, "That isn't going to happen."  No question who had the upper hand in this exchange.

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Permalink Reply by Geneo on May 20, 2011 at 3:59pm

I would hope candidates running against Obama would speak out with boldness long needed. So for none

have except trump. Come on candidates speak out what is your fear. We are waiting for such a leader where are you?

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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on May 20, 2011 at 4:12pm

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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on May 20, 2011 at 4:18pm

Yes, and you could tell that Obama was waiting to explode but dare not in front of the cameras.  Obama is going to try to make Netanyahu pay for his obstinance.  (How dare you disobey a direct order from me?)

Netenyahu grew up politically in the rough and tumble of Knesset politics.  Obama was child's play for him and it showed.

BiBi for President!

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Permalink Reply by Shavaun Wojciak on May 22, 2011 at 12:02pm

Herman Cain said he would stand by Israel

Gene Blackman said:

I would hope candidates running against Obama would speak out with boldness long needed. So for none

have except trump. Come on candidates speak out what is your fear. We are waiting for such a leader where are you?

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Permalink Reply by Shavaun Wojciak on May 22, 2011 at 12:04pm

Bibi is truly a great leader, and Israel needs him right now. Obama knows exactly what he is doing....it's who he is really working for that concerns me (it's not US)

Lee Phillips said:

Yes, and you could tell that Obama was waiting to explode but dare not in front of the cameras.  Obama is going to try to make Netanyahu pay for his obstinance.  (How dare you disobey a direct order from me?)

Netenyahu grew up politically in the rough and tumble of Knesset politics.  Obama was child's play for him and it showed.

BiBi for President!

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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on May 23, 2011 at 2:57pm

So Obama gives a speech before AIPAC and gives a convoluted restatement of what he said last week.  And now most of the membership still support him!  Unbelievable.  Are they going to wait until the Israelis get pushed into the sea before they figure this man out? 

Sadly, it reminds me of some of the Jews who believed in Hitler until the moment they and their families were rounded up and put on a train to Auschwitz.

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Permalink Reply by Phil Lawson on May 24, 2011 at 1:41pm

Bibi was awesome, spoke clearly, and characteristically didn't avoid conflict. What a true leader. It's not that Obama is outclassed, he's embarrassing.  It's simply that his actions/stances are as radical as his close friends - who don't necessarily hate America, they just want it to be in stark contrast to the America Washington and Lincoln knew.  Obama acted characteristically, as well, by the way. Obama's words and actions are a wake up call to our slumber.  He's not stupid. He realizes that the pre 1967-ish border would be a death blow to Israel and that's most likely what he and his Eastern friends want.

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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on May 25, 2011 at 6:07am

I told a co-worker, and anyone else who would listen, before the 2008 election that Obama was a leftist demagogue who would be dangerous if he were elected.  My co-worker fell for the vapid "hope and change" crap and voted for Obama anyway. 

The man is not honest.  Otherwise, he would speak clearly and not obfuscate when dealing with a wide range of issues, including Israel.  That is a fatal character flaw in anyone who purports to be a leader.  Obama, the man, does not deserve any respect because he has none for the citizens of the United States and certainly none for Israelis.

Netanyahu, on the other hand, clearly admires and respects the United States.  Something that Obama would do well to emulate, but won't -- by choice. 

Phil Lawson said:

Bibi was awesome, spoke clearly, and characteristically didn't avoid conflict. What a true leader. It's not that Obama is outclassed, he's embarrassing.  It's simply that his actions/stances are as radical as his close friends - who don't necessarily hate America, they just want it to be in stark contrast to the America Washington and Lincoln knew.  Obama acted characteristically, as well, by the way. Obama's words and actions are a wake up call to our slumber.  He's not stupid. He realizes that the pre 1967-ish border would be a death blow to Israel and that's most likely what he and his Eastern friends want.

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Goyings on October 14, 2011 at 6:06pm

FOCUS ON AMERICA’S PROBLEMS NOT ON FOREIGN NATIONS……..

“Bibi for President”  WHAT???

 Lee Phillips Wrote:  I suppose Obama thought that Netanyahu would kowtow to his demand that Israel would meekly return to the pre-1967 borders, that existed before the 6-day war between Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq that took place in 1967.

 

You seem here to take the side of Israel.  Israel is a sovereign foreign state whose interest often conflict with that of Americans.  We are not in the business of helping restore “Greater Israel”and we are broke.  Maybe you are mistaking this page for Harretz.

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Strategically, the war improved Israel's ability to defend itself against the Arabs. 

You again seem here to take the side of Israel. What are you an Israeli Nationalist or an American? The whole problem here is that we have many people, too many, who are not loyal to America.

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Israel captured the Golan Heights overlooking Syria, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordon, the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Gaza Strip.

The American, MY ANCESTORS, conquered a whole Continent, which is now being attached and you write of the interest of a Foreign Nation?

 

Lee Phillips Wrote: if Israel gives in to Obama’s demands, then the Arabs will eventually destroy them.

 The tradition people and culture of  America ARE being destroyed and you seem more worried about a tiny middle eastern county that is not and never will be a part of the West.  I wonder why???

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Any Christian that knows anything about the place of the Jewish people in the Bible knows that Christians and Jews are inexorably linked together.

 If you knew anything at all about the history of Christianity you would know that the Jews rejected Christ’s teaching and thereby forsaking the Covenant with God.  Your comment is pure propaganda aimed at getting gullible Christians to pay taxes and fight wars for a foreign nation. 

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Besides, Israel is the only true friend the United States has in the Middle East.

What has Israel ever done for the United States except involve us in their endless blood feuds?  By the way have you ever heard of the USS Liberty?

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Apparently, Obama is more comfortable with Arabs than with Jews and so is his administration.

This is pure Jewish anti-Arab propaganda. 

 

CONCLUSION: This writer appears to have more loyalty to, and interest in, a foreign nation than to America and Americans.  The idea that “Bibi” Netanyahu, a committed foreign nationalist is going to act in the interest of Americans is so very wrong and vapid I must conclude there is another Agenda operating here.  The writer seems to have a lot of time to post and has an unusual knowledge of a foreign country’s politics.  This post is a DISGRACE to the FCTP and its writer should be censured.

 

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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on October 16, 2011 at 3:41am

This illogical and juvenile screech by Jonathan Goyings does not deserve an intelligent response.  Go flame someone else Jonathan.

Jonathan Goyings said:

FOCUS ON AMERICA’S PROBLEMS NOT ON FOREIGN NATIONS……..

“Bibi for President”  WHAT???

 Lee Phillips Wrote:  I suppose Obama thought that Netanyahu would kowtow to his demand that Israel would meekly return to the pre-1967 borders, that existed before the 6-day war between Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq that took place in 1967.

 

You seem here to take the side of Israel.  Israel is a sovereign foreign state whose interest often conflict with that of Americans.  We are not in the business of helping restore “Greater Israel”and we are broke.  Maybe you are mistaking this page for Harretz.

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Strategically, the war improved Israel's ability to defend itself against the Arabs. 

You again seem here to take the side of Israel. What are you an Israeli Nationalist or an American? The whole problem here is that we have many people, too many, who are not loyal to America.

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Israel captured the Golan Heights overlooking Syria, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordon, the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Gaza Strip.

The American, MY ANCESTORS, conquered a whole Continent, which is now being attached and you write of the interest of a Foreign Nation?

 

Lee Phillips Wrote: if Israel gives in to Obama’s demands, then the Arabs will eventually destroy them.

 The tradition people and culture of  America ARE being destroyed and you seem more worried about a tiny middle eastern county that is not and never will be a part of the West.  I wonder why???

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Any Christian that knows anything about the place of the Jewish people in the Bible knows that Christians and Jews are inexorably linked together.

 If you knew anything at all about the history of Christianity you would know that the Jews rejected Christ’s teaching and thereby forsaking the Covenant with God.  Your comment is pure propaganda aimed at getting gullible Christians to pay taxes and fight wars for a foreign nation. 

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Besides, Israel is the only true friend the United States has in the Middle East.

What has Israel ever done for the United States except involve us in their endless blood feuds?  By the way have you ever heard of the USS Liberty?

 

Lee Phillips Wrote:  Apparently, Obama is more comfortable with Arabs than with Jews and so is his administration.

This is pure Jewish anti-Arab propaganda. 

 

CONCLUSION: This writer appears to have more loyalty to, and interest in, a foreign nation than to America and Americans.  The idea that “Bibi” Netanyahu, a committed foreign nationalist is going to act in the interest of Americans is so very wrong and vapid I must conclude there is another Agenda operating here.  The writer seems to have a lot of time to post and has an unusual knowledge of a foreign country’s politics.  This post is a DISGRACE to the FCTP and its writer should be censured.

 

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Goyings on October 16, 2011 at 10:18am

Lee Phillips,

I am simply pointing out to you that this forum is devoted to American Founding Principle AND WE MEAN IT.

To wit:

- You seem to have an unusual interest in the politics of a foreign country which, by the way, is not part of the West and is not representative of our Anglo Saxon derived form of Government, which is the historical pre-cursor to the American form of government, i.e American Founding Principles.  I must conclude your comments are not in the interests of the FCTP’s efforts to restore Founding Principals to American Government.

- You seem to speak from the point of view of an Israeli Nationalist, not an American Patriot.  Your comments are therefore better suited to another forum rather than the FCTP.

- You have blatantly mis-represented the history of Christianity and imply that Christians must be “inexorably” a fifth column of a foreign people/state.  This is simply false and does not help us restore a system of Government envisioned by the Founding Fathers, or more to the point, the relationship of America to Foreign Powers (see George Washington's comments below)

- You have clearly demonstrated an anti-Arab bias.  Other middle-eastern peoples have legitimate interests and these interests may conflict with your “chosen” middle-eastern nationally. We should be focusing instead on methods and strategies devoted to restoring America to a form of Government based on the Founding Principles envisioned by our Founding Fathers.

 

Here are some quotes from George Washington indicating the relationship to Foreign Powers that we, as Americans seeking a restoration should maintain:

 - 'Tis folly in one Nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its Independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favours and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect, or calculate upon real favours from Nation to Nation. 'Tis an illusion which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.

- George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

 

- But if we are to be told by a foreign Power ... what we shall do, and what we shall not do, we have Independence yet to seek, and have contended hitherto for very little.

- George Washington, letter to Alexander Hamilton, May 8, 1796

 

- Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

- George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

 

- 'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.

- George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

 

Finally, this is the central statement of the FCTP on their Home Page which indicates the purpose of this site.

 The First Coast Tea Party’s mission is to promote the principles of our founding fathers (emphasis mine) – individual liberty and responsibility, limited government and moral leadership.  We believe our mission statement is concise, focused and hopefully speaks to ALL Americans.  The tea party movement strives to embrace the concerns of all Americans, to focus on the issues (emphasis mine), to inform the electorate of the activities of “our” government and to share ideas on how to restore our country to a constitutional footing intended by our founding fathers (emphasis mine).  Those Americans who participate in the Tea Party Movement are free thinkers and individuals who want to be a part of “their” government, regain their liberties and fulfill the God given promises set forth in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.  The tea party movement places no labels on anyone (emphasis mine) and is open to all who share our mission and want to have a voice in America’s future.

 

Above I have emphasized where, I believe, you have strayed from the purposes of ths site and the intent of the Tea Party Movement.  I mean no offense, but I do hope I am making myself clear here.

 

In conclusion, you can attack the accuracy of my rendering of your statements, the statements of George Washington himself, or the policy of the FCTP forum.  But in any case your comments are not in accord with the purposes and efforts of the FCTP forum or the interests of the Tea Party generally.  Name calling is simply purile in this context.

Check and Mate.

JG

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