Manal Fakoury... Possibly the most Dangerous and Influential Islamist in Florida Politcs!

See this Link for full story: 

http://www.redcounty.com/content/manal-fakoury-possibly-most-dangerous-and-influential-islamist-florida-politics

 

A few of us in the know have been briefing elected officials and others about Manal Fakoury with mixed results, however the latest fundraiser at her Ocala home for Senator Bill Nelson has brought unwanted publicity and his Senate race may actually be the catalyst which finally exposes her Muslim Brotherhood connections.   

The controversy stems from a donation to Senator Nelsons Campaign by Ahmed Bedier, who is a former leader of the federally designated Muslim Brotherhood front group know as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR ) aka HAMAS (the Palestine Committee in official court documents).

 

The stated goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in America is to "subvert and destroy America from within" just as they did in Egypt by getting themselves elected into office and/or positions of influence until these Islamist have the numbers to agitate for eventual violent overthrow. 

Ahmed Bedier in Egypts Revolution waiving Flag

Ahmed Bedier is no stranger to Revolution

                      This photo was taken during the overthrow of Egypt and posted on his facebook page with the caption "I was proud to be part of the Revolution".  It is now universally agreed that the Muslim Brotherhood was behind the overthrow of Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and other current unrest in the Middle East.

In addition to gaining access to those responsible for effecting change at the local, state, and federal level via these private fundraisers, (UVA) board members Manal Fakoury and founder Ahmed Bedier, continue their influence operations against elected officials during their annual "Muslim Capitol Days".  United Voices of America (UVA) has lobbied against "American Laws for American Courts", E-Verify, Border Security and Strong Immigration Bills. 

This is quite Interesting, when you consider over 86,000 OTMs (Other than Mexicans) cross the border annually  to include Islamic terrorists and over 50 cases of Sharia Law trumping U.S. law in American courts  have been documented in a report by Frank Gaffney of the Center of Security Policy.

 

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  • ACT Jacksonville

     It became a decisive authority in religious affairs. All religious doctrines were standardized through ijma. Its rejection was considered heresy, indeed sometimes tantamount to unbelief."[3]

     

    Unbelief or apostacy.... WHICH IS WHY MANAL FAKHOURY WILL NOT SIGN THE PLEDGE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM... she would become an apostate according to authoritative ISLAM.

     

    SO MUCH FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND TOLERANCE....

     

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Sharia Law in America.

    1st Sharia Family Law Court in Richardson Texas 2008.

    Next

    If you actually read the article above in FULL there is a LINK citing over 50 cases of Sharia Law in US courts in 23 states to INCLUDE

    A Muslim man who BEAT and RAPED his wife in accordance with Sharia Law to the point she was hospitalized.  The court in N.J. ruled in favor of the Husband in accordance with Sharia Law as his "RELIGOUS" right.  The Appeals court overturned this decision last year, but shows the direction our high courts are going.

    Nidal Hassan and Mo Hassan who beheaded his wife cited Sharia Law.  BTW Parvez Ahmed of CAIR/HAMAS who Manal and Bedier work with gave Mo an Award just a few month prior to this beheading as a great moderate muslim doing outreach via his BRIDGES TV.

  • amanda choate

    So laws passed 1000 years ago, that is what we are concerned about. Did you know fhere are rabbinical courts in this country? Did the man who beheaded his go to jail? Yes, he was convicted. I keep forgetting, unknown to themselves, Islam is not a religion. Muslims in large numbers suffer under totalitarian regimes, throughout the Middle East. These dictators, who have come in following brutal overlords of colonizers have used Islam to keep suppression in place. Islam is what those practice make of it, just like Christians. No more or less.
  • ACT Jacksonville

    spoken like a true dhimmi.  Both Rabbinical law or Halaka law and Catholic Canon Law abide by and under the law of the land aka the Constitution.  In addition, their laws are concerned only with those who are jews or christians respectively.... not so under Sharia Law.   about 60% of the Trilogy deals with NON-Muslim or those who do not follow the religion.

    Sharia and Islam calls for all MUSLIM to wage JIHAD or Islamic warfare aginst non-Muslims to establish the deen or religion until all submit and only Allahs religion reigns supreme.

    Now if Sharia will not allow Muslims to deny  or denounce this under penalty of being kicked out of the club... for committing an act of Apostacy....they become a non- Muslim.  IF Manal is a Good Muslim in accordance with doctrine she believes in Jihad, if she does not she is not a Muslim.   Or how about asking her to denounce JIHAD in writing Jihad in accordance with the Book of JUSTICE book O.90 in the Sacred Islamic Law Manul.

    Now you are making excuses, Using the Muslim Brotherhood talking points, that they are oppressed.  Well, American Muslims are oppressed in accordance with Islamic Doctrine merely for living in a country which is not under Sharia Rule and they are to wage Cultural or Stealh Jihad until they have the numbers to wage Physical Jihad and implement the Sharia.

    Jihad forms in accordance with doctrine 1.  Jihad Qital - Violent Jihad by M.B. orgs like Hamas, Taliban, etc, 2.  Jihad with the Pen - write glowing articles and about Islam and to decieve non-Muslims.  3.  With the Mouth - Speak and engange groups on the benevolence of Islam and decieve to establish the religion  4.  Wage Jihad in the Heart - to hate and despise the non-Muslim and man made political system while smiling to their face until Islamic Law can be Established.   Now we have Sharia Compliant Finance of JIHAD with Money as Yousep Qaradawi like to say.

     

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Sharia law is not a 1000 year old irrelevant legal system...but a system which is for all time, whose  gates to IJMA have been closed for 1000 years.... meaning they can never be changed or amended...they are perpetual and divine.

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
    Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
    Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
    Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
    Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
    Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
    Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
    Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
    Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
    Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
    Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. W
  • ACT Jacksonville

    Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
    Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
    Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
    Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
    Muslim:C34B20N4668 "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights."
  • ACT Jacksonville

    Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
    Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
    Bukhari:V9B84N59 "Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'"
    Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
    Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
    Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
    Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
    Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in
  • Carla

    The "Dumbing Down of America" is a statement often used to define today's children and the compulsory education system for which they partake. The ignorance of our culture has less to do with public education and more about choice in values. Approximately forty years ago, The American
    family became complacent in all aspects of living; with the exception of consumption. That self-satisfaction, led to an entertainment driven society yielding a shift in priorities. We are uninformed, because we chose to be. It’s just too difficult or inconvenient. Our children lack the knowledge that will sustain us as a culture. This shift started and is supported at home. Once the television started doing the thinking for us, we simply forgot how to think. Virtual reality is easier. Back in 1978, my grandmother made a prophetic statement. She said “Television is evil and will be the downfall of society”. We followed the bouncing ball folks.

     

    It takes education to figure out what Islam is doing and the average citizen is seriously lacking.  Much of the United States knows very little about the world economy, world religions, other views or its military relevance. In this respect, societies outside of America are way ahead. Unfortunately, we live in a sit-com society. We don’t spend any time in analysis of the world around us. We don’t read; not important information anyway. We’ve managed to pass indifference to our
    children and children’s children.

    Remember when we used to teach our children about “stranger danger”? After a time, our police
    department discovered that children were walking away with these people becausethey didn’t look like the boogie man and/or they had a puppy? In other words, they were harmless. They didn’t fit the “boogie man” description. Years later,profilers noticed a pattern in that many of these offenders were familiar; had made friends with and/or blended into the victim’s world prior to violating the
    child. The family had to take a proactive role in educating ourselves as to the real dangers. We had to change our way of life making sure we protected our own; even if it happened to “offend” someone. 
    One would think, we would learn from our devastating mistakes.

    We are simple in that we believe in the good of all people. We think that if a person dresses nice, speaks well and polite, they must be ok. We believe that, short of a few stragglers, most human beings are motivated by basic needs: love, faith, money to live on, and peace. After all, our founding fathers had the fortitude to put those promises in our governing documents. Furthermore, our belief system leads us to believe that all human beings, regardless of ideological background, will agree with our open society. Though not stated, we act as though the moment they step foot on this magical land we call America, they will give upall their own preconceived principles and grasp ours  with open arms. It’s faulty thinking that since we appreciate freedoms; all cultures who step on our
    land want to adopt American values. This will only be true for those who flee from a land for which they WANT to abandon.  contd next post.....

  • Carla

    contd from below....

    Not all human beings currently taking advantage of American freedoms are doing so for honorable reasons. Strategy is in play here. No matter how good a wife is, if she is married to an abuser, he will abuse. He will court her, shower her with all the right things until such as a time he has the strongest vantage and then, he will become the abuser he is. America is the good wife and Islam is the abuser. I guarantee it! We will have no refuge, if we don’t stop this.  The Islamic ideology is a massive force; engrained generation after generation and encompasses all aspects of life, it is rare for a Muslim to abandon it; no matter how attractive the alternative. It is naïve to think that America is not
    being subjugated!  We are dying a slow death. We are simple to think that if we are “nice” and “tolerant” of others, it will be reciprocated. The average American lacks the critical thinking
    skills that make a society really intelligent. Those things are being competent to look for major themes across cultural societies; ability to understand motivations, major political systems, cultural/tribal survival, loyalty and of course keeping the family together. With a divorce rate of 51% and abortion of a million per year, anyone with a brain cell left can tell America doesn’t have what it takes to protect its own. We are losing our country and yet so many respond to controversy with the preprogrammed retort of “don’t be a racist” thinking somehow it will squash any unpleasant topic. This is laughable because race has nothing to do with it. Every time I hear that canned response,
    it gives me further proof the Average American has no clue.



    This past summer, I was sitting in on a Town hall event where a congressional representative was the guest speaker. It was hilarious exchange between this Florida representative and a concerned citizen centered on Iraq, Afghanistan and our progress there. After several questions; the Florida rep agreed that it is about time to bring our military home. He took the answer further. I am paraphrasing but here was the gist of his response [….we can only do so much over there….we cannot possibly expect them to adopt our democratic ideology given their contrasting views. We can only do so much to
    help them but given the strict history of Islam, it’s a moot point—we cannot fight that kind of system!]  

    Contd.....last one promise....

  • Carla

    Last part of post..



    My million dollar question is this-- How in hell can we
    actually believe America is not compatible with Islam “over there” but magically
    works here? Let me put it very simply: When enough “Muslim Americans” with
    Islamic values are in the right positions, our constitution will cease to
    exist. The situation “over there” will be over here. We’ve recently seen
    extensive evidence at its manipulation by our own moronic leaders. Not so
    coincidently, several are funded by or influenced by Islam already. Please tell
    me, we are not blind to the facts.



    In 620; ten years into the movement:



     The new religion evolved into a way of life
    and recipe for community organization, ‎providing a religious and ideological
    framework for uniting the Arab tribes, and a ‎social and organizational
    framework for regulating the unified action of the nomads. ‎The separate tribes
    had been re-formed into a Muslim-Arab Umma (community). The ‎Qur'an is, among
    other things, a handbook for rules of war, prescribing the laws of ‎treaties
    and of booty and commanding the faithful to Jihad, (holy war) against any ‎who
    interfere with the practice of Islam. In practice, Jihad was often carried out
    as ‎aggressive war well beyond the borders of Islam.
    “ 

    Why doesn’t the average American get it?  In the back of our minds, do we think that we are so wonderful; so smart—the enemy is always over there in some other country? Therefore, our battle can never be on our own land. Tell that to the list of countries who already went through it. We think
    that somehow, the millions of Muslims migrating to our country will catch the liberty love bug and shed their deeply engrained ideology. Taking Islam 101 would provide enough to know this just isn’t going to happen. Any American who thinks Islam is compatible with our Constitution; knows nothing of our system or theirs.

    Many Middle East immigrants are NOT coming to America for opportunity to live in a free country. Their civilization doesn’t value free expression, money, capitalism or anything else America has to offer. Migration is occurring by the millions each year, many with prestigious degrees that took
    triple the rigor than any top American college. Islam’s mission is like nothing we here in America have ever seen. There is something called the Muslim Brotherhood that has melted into our society and firms up in strategic places; giving influence, control and power. It doesn’t take much of a dig to see a strong pattern of laws limiting liberty following them once those positions have been filled
    by “Muslim Americans”--especially if connected in any way with advocacy organizations. The average Muslim who fled to become American just does NOT seek public office. To do so “without authorization” would mean certain death.

    I have enough sense to respect Islam. I believe what they write, say and have believed in since 624AD. We KNOW the intent.  It’s not a race or religion. It is an all encompassing way of life; once implemented, will circumvent all aspects of our existence! We will be under Sharia Law! It’s not if; it’s when. Every other culture touched by Islam experiences it --America is not immune. I would
    suggest America get its head out of …the sand and figure things out.  Islam doesn’t need Jihad by the sword to absorb America—they have uninformed citizens who really don’t care. We are so
    stupid that Islamic Clerics are freely giving speeches all across this country brainwashing us into thinking Islam and America are the same. Uninformed Americans are lapping it up like dumb dogs. Yet, most are silent when new laws continue to surface preventing our ministers, teachers and military from speaking. Those so called freedom loving Americans who have the nerve to try to squas

  • amanda choate

    Rabbinical courts are alllowed to operate outside the statuted legal system. If they were the same there would be no need.
    Carla, not in a thousand years. But who knows. The best thing to do is allow Mexicans into the country and let them propigate like crazy. White people in this country aren't maming enough babies to replace the population.
  • Carla

    your simplistic rebuttel kinda proves my point Amanda.

  • Carla

    hmmm...wonder what this means?   excerpt and link-one of thousands.  


    As the Muslim Brotherhood threatens to effectively replace Egypt's secular,
    pro-Western regime, the tentacles of its worldwide jihadist movement have
    reached deep into the Muslim community in America. Shockingly, federal court
    documents reveal that virtually every major Muslim organization in America is a
    front group for the Brotherhood. They also show that its U.S. network has raised
    millions of dollars for Hamas, al-Qaida and other terrorist groups.


    "The most prominent Islamic organizations in the United States are all
    controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood," said FBI veteran John Guandolo, who
    worked several Brotherhood-related terror cases out of the bureau's Washington
    field office as a special agent after 9/11. "

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=266725

     

    If you are inept at understanding the gist of the story...it's telling us that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the U.S. political system...but I guess an "occupier" would be much more informed than the FBI.

  • Jeanne DeSilver

    It's impossible to follow the sequence of comments following this article!  It appears that Amanda Choate is defending Manal Fakhoury against ActJacksonville's "wild accusations against a woman held in high esteem by her community" and his holding her in "guilt by association".  The accusations include the suggestion that Dr. Fakhoury might not be as sweet, likable, and friendly as she presents herself to non-Muslims, that she might be ingaging in taqiyyah (in Islam, the practice of concealing one's beliefs - Encyclopedia Britannica).  Qur'an 3:28 gives Muslims permission to fake friendships for the promotion of Islam.  The "guilt by association" charge possibly comes from the fact that Manal Fakhoury is a member of "Capitol Leadership Academy", run by Ahmed Bedier to train Muslims to run for public office.  Ahmed Bedieris the former Executive Director of CAIR-Tampa.  If you don't know anything about CAIR, just google it.

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Carla,

    Amanda is obviously an apologist, who has totolly disregarded a clear way to prove her Friend Manal either is or is not a truly "Moderate" Muslim as she claimed, but has refused to address the issue she brought up about the article.   She will have to come to grips at some point with facts laid before her even though it goes against what she want to except.

    Remember the Three I's.   Those who embrace Islamist are either Ignorant, Incompetent, or In Bed (Ideolgically, Politically, monetarily or otherwise)....

    She has committed to a position she can not adequately defend and the truth and documnetation overwhelmingy supports our position.

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Jeannie,

     

    I think it is important to view the first few comments on last page of comment to understand.  Manal, her Husband, and Bedier have a way to prove they are truly Civil Rights Activist and Human Rights activist by signing the Religious Freedom Pledge and denounce barbaric sharia law elements which call for the killing of apostates who want to exercise their right to religious freedom.   They have refused to sign this document in the past and Amanda wants to defend them rather than ask them why they would refuse to sign such a document which would easily prove her point and destroy my argument.

  • Jeanne DeSilver

    ACTJacksonville is our modern day Paul Revere!

  • amanda choate

    Sign this pledge and get the president of Oathkeepers to make it part of mission statement and I will perfsonally deliver your pledge to Dr. Fakhoury.

    As an Oathkeeper, being personally dedicated to defending the Constitution and its promise of freedom and liberty from oppressive government, I do hereby pledge:
    We demand that all citizens be share equally in the freedoms provided by the Constitution regardless of age, race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. No law shall be made that limits a person's freedoms based on any of these as that is and of itself is unconstitutional.

    Signed__________________________________________
  • amanda choate

    Sorry for the misspellings, mobile device, and doing two things at once.
  • amanda choate

    ACT, all you have said is a bunch of balderdash. Nothing concrete. But you get yours signed and all get mine signed. There is no difference. It is supposed to be what you believe, freedom and liberty.
  • ACT Jacksonville

    Amanda,

    The Pledge has been delivered to Dr. Manal Fakhoury, Mr. Fakhoury, and Ahmed Bedier and your assistance was not needed.  

    After you vigorously defended Mrs. Fakhoury, then said we would never know... due to it all being opinion.  I informed you my position on her views were not opinion, as she refuses to achnowldege the constitutional and human rights of former Muslims.  That you could prove me wrong by asking her to sign this document if she is so benevolent and forthright.

    Now you have used every excuse to avoid this... and throw in one more condition.   You must not be so sure of your friend, with every post my position grows stronger.

     

    So now you offer to deliver only if I take a pledge which is incoherent due to mis-spelling, to an organization of which I hold no position with nor have control over policy in order to somehow allieviate you from this challenge which will confirm Manal Fakhourys true nature by her refusal to sign this pledge.

     

    An organization which has no policy of discrimination against religon, race, gender, or sexual orientation, but refuse to address the fact the ISLAM has doctrine in the koran and sunna the authoritative text which is discriminatory by ALLAH himself against those who leave the relgion, against Race, against gender, and against sexual orientation, which your self proclaimed friend an Islamist, who refuses to sign a pledge for just religious freedom for fomer Muslims who want to live in America without fear of Harm, Persecution, or death for exercising that right. 

    A friend who is a self proclaimed civil rights activist and Isamic Leader of a mosque. 

    YOUR PATHETIC

     

  • amanda choate

    Is your name ACT? Since you are not willing to share your name please refer to me in the formal, Mrs. Choate.

    Who delivered this pledge? What were the circumstances under which it was delivered? Why are you asking Muslims to sign a pledge, what is your interest?

    I am not so much defending her as attacking you for a failure to present even a modicum, nary a scintilla of actual evidence that provides any proof of the allegations that you have made here.

    The only two things you have provided are her association with others you consider bad and dangerous, and the fact that she is involved in benefitting her community, which certainly must be a sign of her danger.

    And why don't you sign the pledge protecting sodomites from the vagaries of various jurisdictions, some of which are merely payoffs to religious groups who demand the subjugation of others to their dogmatic religious views though they are in direct conflict with the Constitution. The Constitution is after all, the ruling document in this country as to one's rights. It makes no concession to any religion. It promises equality under the law. It does not mention that applies to everyone but sodomites.

    Sign it ACT.

  • Carla

    Not sure where in the thread this will post but just putting it out there. Read 12 separate documents; most out of the UK that stated Nelson didn't accept the money. Money WAS offered by Bedier but Nelson claims  he didn't take it. Therefore, when Fakoury states that no money was given, she was right. When we state taqiyya is being used, we are correct as well. Sooo consistent it's funny.

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Mrs. Choate,

    more condidtions... what are you afraid of?

  • amanda choate

    No just sign my pledge and pass it on. But of course you have no power and that is what really bothers you. That this smart, highly edcucated Muslim woman boasts more influence and is held in high regard by her community, whereas yourself, holds no such sway.

    Wow she does look scary.

    Here is a link to a  fundraiser she held for candidate Tom Gallagher.

    http://www.shutterfly.com/progal/slideshow.jsp?auto=0&aid=768a5...

    Another jihadi looking event.

  • Jeanne DeSilver

    @Mrs. Choate, Since we're posting pics now, here's one from me:

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Jeanne You ROCK!

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Permissible and Obligatory Lying.   Lying is Obligatory if the requiement is obligatory.... such as JIHAD... Cultural or otherwise per Islamic Doctrine.

     

    PERMISSIBLE LYING

    r8.2 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,

    ``He who settles disagreements between people to bring about good or says something commendable is not a liar.''  

    This much is related by both Bukhari and Muslim, with Muslim's version recording that Umm Kulthum

    added,

    ``I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war, settling disagreements and a man talking with his wife or she with him (A:in smoothing over differences),''

    This is an explicit statement that lying is sometimes permissible for a given interest, scholars having established criteria defining what types of it are lawful. The best analysis of it I have seen is by Imam Ghazali. If something is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying

    is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. When for example one is concealing a muslim from an oppressor (non-Muslim) who asks where he

    is, it is obligatory to lie about his being hidden. Or when a person deposits an article with one for

    safekeeping and an oppressor wanting to appropriate it inquires about it, it is obligatory to lie about having

    concealed it, for if one informs him about the article and he then siezes it, one is financially liable(A:to

    the owner)to cover the article's cost. Whether the purpose is war, settling a disagreement, or gaining

    the sympathy of a victim legally entitled to retaliate against one so that he will forbear to do so; it is not

    unlawful to ;lie when any of these aims can only be attained through lying. But is religiously more

    precautionary (def:c6.5) in all such cases to employ words that give misleadng impression, meaning to

    intend by one's words something that is literally true, in respect to which one is not lying (def:r10.2)

    white the outward purport of the words deceives the hearer, though even if one does not have such an

    intention and merely lies without intending anything else, it is not unlawful in the above circumstances.

    `This is true of every expression connected with a legitimating desired end, whether one's own or

    another's. An example of a legitimating end of one's own is when an oppressor intending to appropriate

    one's property inquires about it, in which case one may deny it. Or if a ruler asks one about a wicked act

    one has committed that is solely between oneself and Allah Most High (N: i.e. it does not concern the rights of another), in which case one is entitled to disclaim it, such as by saying, 'I did not commit fornication,'or'I did not drink.' There are many well known hadiths in which those who admitted they

    deserved punishment were given prompting (A: by the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)) to retract their confessions. An example of a legitimating desired end of another is when one is asked about another's secret and one disacknowledges it. And so on. One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, on is entitled to lie

  • Debbie G

    Ms. Choate, your posts demonstrate the success of the the goals of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, Communist Party of the United States, and John Dewey to name a few to re-write United States history and change the purpose of education to create an educatable workforce rather than educated citizens.  This statement was taken from the 1916 ISS news letter.  This sentiment has been ubiquitous through the decades.  I mention this as the individuals that subscribe to this ideology share the the same goal with radical Muslims; the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  

    You have chosen to read only the preface of a novel and then proceed as if you have read the entire novel.  Unfortunately,  many Americans do just this.  I am not attacking or criticizing your posts, but rather pointing out what is obvious. 

    I wish you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving. If you are enjoying a Butterball turkey, take comfort in knowing it is Halal certified.

  • FCTP

    Amanda:  Once again your postings have reached a level of disgust with many of our members.  We have received numerous calls and emails asking that we remove you from our membership.  Your views are ALWAYS opposite of tea party views.  You come in to each post with the complete opposite viewpoint of those who are in this tea party.  We allow you to post your comments and we watch people debate you time and time again.  However, people are tiring of you.  We watch as we post and within a few minutes, Amanda shows up with her negative naysayer statements.  You are so predictable.  You are no tea party member Amanda.  You are a plant and we know it.  ACT is a nationwide organization who has done their research and can factually debate Sharia Law.  They are experts on this topic and have factual information to back it up.  Your statements are OPINIONS and while this is a free country, your opinion is yours for now.  One day you may not be allowed to think freely and for yourself if Sharia law replaces the Constitution.  This website is open to those who believe in the tea party movement.  We question why you are here.  Why do you love to spend your time trying to change the minds of those of us who have researched the facts and have made our decisions based on facts?  If you can give us more FACTS rather than OPINIONS we might listen to you.  Unfortunately, you do not do that and instead throw your opinion in the mix and create large pages of debates.  I AM ASKING EVERYONE WHO HAS PARTICIPATED IN THIS RIDICULOUS DISCUSSION WITH AMANDA TO IGNORE HER.  SHE LOVES TO CREATE CHAOS SO LET'S NOT GIVE HER ANY BONE TO CHEW ON.   

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Billie,

    First I would like to thank you for you insight, leadership and all those in the FCTP for their individual sacrafice and dedication to restoring America to her founding Principles.

    While it is obvious Mrs. Choate has stated nothing more than personal opinion and Debbie and You have given a very accurate assessment of her and her arguments,  I believe this blog and her comments actually serve our community well.

    It shows exactly how successful influence operations from both the Islamist and Progressive left have been in America for all of us to see first hand.  I believe these and similar blog comments should be shared with all conservatives and those on the fence as a reality check of just how far the social agenda has advanced in America.

     In addition, the more attention and light we shine on those who operate under the "Radar" to influence change in our nation....the better off we are.  Most of the effective dismantling of a nation is not via warfare, but via influence operations, penetration operations, and then incrementally through legislation.  Each of our elected officials need to understand who these folks are and just how dangerous they are.

    Mrs. Choate, has driven many folks to this blog and raised considerabale awareness even within the TEA Party, for that she has my sincere appreciation. 

     

    Thanks Mrs. Choate

    Sincerely,

    Randy McDaniels

  • FCTP

    That is why we did not remove her from the membership BUT wanted to alert her to the fact many in our tea party are tiring of her charade as a tea party member. 

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Tom and Roma,

     

    Here is a statement by Mrs. Fakhoury stating 911 was not because of Islam, but due to American Policies....e.g. our own fault, but yet she host fundraisers for our most prominent elected officials and those running for office in both parties.

  • amanda choate

    To all:

    As I am being rebuked on many fronts, lets get to it.

    I am against paying into a failed policy that is Medicare. There is absolutely no provisions provided by anyone anywhere that the money I am forced to pay in now will provide me any coverage thirty years from now. So put me down as a wild eyed liberal on that one. Ditto for Social security.

    I criticize politicians that align themselves with corporate interests that place the interests ordinary citizens behind these same corporations. So when I hear Newt took money from Fannie and Freddie and 37 million from insurance interests while promoting a federal mandate for health insurance, I will rail against him.

    When I discover that Herman Cain, a former lobbyist, is out selling books and doesn't bother to learn foreign policy and that his tax plan will raise my taxes 7-9 thousand dollars, he too shall bear my wrath.

    I do not believe that corporations possess the same rights I do.

    I do not believe that cash is equivalent to speech.

    I am for the Koch brothers rights to seek to sway the rules in their favor and equally for my right to discern the differnce between what is their best interest and mine.

    I loathe hypocrisy. It is rampant in politics. Republicans in this field have exhibited a tone deafness in this regard.

    I admit that my two favorites chose not to run, has Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie joined my choice would have been clearer.

     I think the Dream Act makes economic and moral sense.

    I believe there are two kinds of freedom and they are equal in every respect. 

    Freedom from and freedom to.

    I read a post from Patricia McBride, (sorry for dragging you into this Patricia) in which BoA was transferring 75 trillion dollars worth of derivatives into their FDIC insured operations. So whereas they had privatized the profit, they transferred the risk onto taxpayers. And I realize they have stuck it to us again. So I have empathy for the Occupiers.

    I believe that we can build a state in which private enterprise flourishes and state and federal governements do the the things that they do well, with more than just a nod to efficiency and economy, rather a full out effort. That they respect the effort it takes to fund their departments and agencies.

    So I wonder what this woman would have to do other than renounce her religion  that would satisfy those here. So villify me and her that is cool it is your perogative.

    But here is Governor Christie on this same subject:

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/chris-christie-slams-fearmongeri...

  • amanda choate

    Roma and Tom the part you posted about generational differences rings so true.
  • ACT Jacksonville

    Mrs. Choate,

     

    Now Governor Christie become your authority on ISLAM and Sharia Law.   I have posted actual legal code for Muslims as my basis or authoritative Islamic Sharia Law and Quranic verses which carry authority and now you use the opinion of a Governor with very dubious ties to Islamist as you apologist, when you could simply provide Manal the opportunity to prove how truly "Moderate" she is and that she does not follow those barbaric legal code such as killing a person who is an apostate for exercising their CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right to RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

     

    You have used every excuse not to confront the issue.  You began this debate by defending you FRIEND but refuse to use a simple tool which would prove you correct and destroy my argument if she as a SELF PROCLAIMED CIVIL RIGHTS worker would just sign this document which we all can agree is a Human Rights and Civil Rights Issue.

     

     

    To support the civil rights of former Muslims, also known as apostates from Islam, I sign “The Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom and Safety from Harm for Former Muslims”:

     

    I renounce, repudiate and oppose any physical intimidation, or worldly and corporal punishment, of apostates from Islam, in whatever way that punishment may be determined or carried out by myself or any other Muslim including the family of the apostate, community, Mosque leaders, Shariah court or judge, and Muslim government or regime.

    Signature: _________________________________________________________________________

    Printed Name: _____________________________________________________________________

    Organization/Title: __________________________________________________________________

    Date: _____________________________________________________________________________

  • ACT Jacksonville

  • Peggy Hall

    Sounds to me like Mrs. Choate should be in NYC with OWS getting scabbies, among other things.

    Chris Christie?  LOL!  The same Chris Christie who appointed Sohail Mohammed to NJ Supreme?  And the same Chris Christe who went to the WH state dinner for the commie murderer?.  I could go on, but won't.  What a joke using him as reference.  He has sold his soul to Passaic County, and others.

    Amanda is OBVIOUSLY not a Tea Partier.  Goodness Randy, you have the patience of Job. 

    God bless all patriots and have a Happy Thanksgiving. 

    And may God bless America.

     

  • Jeanne DeSilver

      Why can't these comments be read consecutively in sequence, without having to hunt for the next page, which seems to jump around without any reason, - very frustrating!

  • amanda choate

    ACT, I will only make these two points.
    One, you still have only insinuated Dr. Fakhoury's guilt by association and. Innuendo. That alone violates the most basic tenets we hold, innocent until proven guilty. Inaction on some invented pledge proves nothing.
    Two, citing the Q'uran as proof that Muslims can5 possibly share our ethics is ridiculous. The Bible says we shouls stone to death adulterers. That mixing clothing of different fabrics, punishable. Lot took his daughters on as his wives. Wives were okay in the plural. So on and so forth. It doesn't translate.
    Go ahead, it is fine, say what you choose, dedride me, few here will do anything but hold you harmless, because that is how groups and orginizations operate. I abhor group think, it leads to catastrophes.
    NASA and the Challenger.
    The Titanic.
    Penn State scandal and on. And on.
    The first thing groups have to be aware of is the tendancy of groups to protect the group ahead of doing thed right thing. Vigilence in this regard is primary. Anytime a whole group agrees to something there is a prblem. You should be able to achieve consenus, but unanimity needn't be a goal. If it is then what is sought isa blind allegiance. And if that is what is required, I should leave this group. But intellecual deadends are all that await.
  • Peggy Hall

    Amanda, why don't you just pack it in and give up?  Everyone in this group is a thinking person, with their own values.  Apparently, your values are a bit different than ours.  Islam is not a religion, it is a theocracy.  We do not want Islam and Sharia nor socialism or any other ism.  You are wasting your time here.  At this point, I doubt that anyone will pay anymore attention to you as it is also a waste of their time.  Take you muslim loving self and go bye bye. 

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Mrs. Choate,

    Thank you for proving my argument with your own words..... so refreshing that we finally agree!!!!

     

    I applaud your brilliant observation two post down...."You should be able to achieve consenus, but unanimity needn't be a goal. If it is then what is sought isa blind allegiance. And if that is what is required, I should leave this group. But intellecual deadends are all that await."

     

    ISLAM requires BLIND Allegiance under the penalty of DEATH and they have UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS or IJMA on this issue as I explained and posted an article in this debate by Dr. Farooq who teaches atan American University.

     

    SO now that we agree Islam is a Group You would not want to be part of due to intellectual Dead Ends... you might want to finally ask your friend Mrs. Fakhoury why she would work so tirelessly to sway the American Public it is anything else????

  • ACT Jacksonville

    The Doctrine of Ijma:
    Is there a consensus?
    *

     
    Dr. Mohammad Omar Farooq
    Associate Professor of Economics and Finance
    Upper Iowa University
    June 2006

     

    Ijma or consensus is one of the four sources of Islamic jurisprudence.

    Ijma is the verbal noun of the Arabic word ajma’a, which as two meanings: to determine and to agree upon something. To give an example of the former, the expression ajma’a fulan ‘ala kadha, means that ‘so-and-so decided upon such-and-such’. This usage of ajma’a is found both in the Qur’an and in the hadith. The other meaning of ajma’a is ‘unanimous agreement’. hence the phrase ajma’a al-qawm ‘ala kadha means ‘the people reached a unanimous agreement on such-and-such’. The second meaning of ijma often subsumes the first, in that whenever there is a unanimous agreement on something, there is also a decision on that matter.”[1]

    The Qur'an and the Sunnah are two primary and foundational sources, while ijma and qiyas (analogical reasoning) are two secondary sources. 

    “Classical Muslim methodology (usul) refers to the basic textual sources and methods used in producing Muslim attitudes in different spheres of life including international relations. These sources are the Qur'an, Sunnah, ijma (consensus), and ijtihad (the use of human reason or aql) in elaboration and interpretation of the Shari'ah. Ijtihad includes the fourth major source of Muslim thought, the qiyas (analogy) ...”[2]

    "... no one at all should [give an opinion] on a specific matter by merely saying: It is permitted or prohibited, unless he is certain of [legal] knowledge, and this knowledge must be based on the Qur'an and the sunna, or [derived] from ijma (consensus) and qiyas (analogy)."[3]



    * The author expresses his thanks to Dr. Steve Connolly from the University of Teesside, UK for useful discussions and his careful editing of this article.

    [1] Mohammad Hashim Kamali. Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence [Cambridge, UK: Islamic Texts Society, 2003], pp. 229-230.

    [2] AbdulHamid A. AbuSulayman. The Islamic Theory of International Relations: New Directions for Islamic Methodology and

  • ACT Jacksonville

    This is why... Mrs. Fakhoury cannot give her opinion that killing apostates is bad.... it would go against ALL AUTHORITATIVE ISLAM which has unanimous consensus on this issue or IJMA and she would become an apostate.

    So I once again agree with you when you stated in your keen observation that if a group has UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS or IJMA then intellectual deadends are all that await.

    Welcome back from the dark side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Roma & Tom,

    First we have to fully understand or define Terrorism.  Devout Muslims will 100% condemn terrorism, and they mean it.  Terrorism as defined in Islamic Doctrine.... is the unjust killing of a MUSLIM ONLY.

    Muslims who can Justly be killed are those who are Gay, Apostates, or have committed shirk are guilty and should be killed... all other who are unjustly killed are victims of TERRORISM.

     

    Now as we understand terrorism and terrorist.... Yes they come across our borders legally and illegally each year and our Government is sponsoring much of the cost to import these men and women currently under the guise of worker visas and immigration.

     

    As far as the CONSTITUTION GOES.... NO IT IS NOT A LIVING AND BREATHING DOCUMENT and is the basis for the LAWS of our REPUBLIC.... Meaning we live under a democratic system which operates within the confines of the law.... hence a republic not a democracy.

    I do not agree we need to make compromises... we need clearly identify and classify the threat.  The enemy has a clear understanding of his doctrines and Sharia the threat doctrine.  Sharia is the Constitution of Islam and hence a legal and political system in competition with our Constitution and way of life... article 6 of the constitution states it shall be the supreme law of the land... Islam tells Muslims Sharia is the highest authority and that man made law is the highest form of shirk or disbelief, they are to work until the day comes when the can convert the law of the land to sharia.

    Once we understand this...then we will be up to the task of defending this great document and nation. However, it is a document and without the resolve of Americans to defend it vigorously...we are a mere generation away from losing our freedom.

  • ACT Jacksonville

    See this video I took in Washington D.C. during the Muslim Capitol Day... Muslim says sharia is the constitution of the muslims, that they would like to see it replace the constitution, and that homosexuals must be killed... this is in accordance with all authoritative Islam.  They get it ...we dont.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxjocm5fCc&noredirect=1

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Tom, hence the reason I did not use democracy...but we have a democratic system within the confines of law... or a republic.

    Now when you speak of Pat Downs...this is a security issue which does not violate the constitution in my opinion.  The patriot Act has some issues.

    First to secure our nation, we need to classify Islam as the Political System it is..just as Italy has.

    Then we need to secure our borders and deny entry of all Muslims from countries whose governments support of have supported state sponsors of terror.

    Then we need to deport any and all Muslims who support or follow the POLITICAL components of  ISLAM or SHARIA in this nation.  

  • ACT Jacksonville

    Those who want to practice ISLAM the religion are welcome in my opinion.

  • ACT Jacksonville

    P.S.  The Constitution give provision on how to deal with sedition and treason, those immigrants and nationals who want to subert the constitution with Sharia Law should be dealt with accordingly.