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Who will it be???
Ok, so who is the Tea Party backing for the Republican nomination? For President? I'm sure you all have done more reseach than I have, so I'd be interested in reading your opinions.
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Permalink Reply by Jack on
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Hey has anyone else heard yet? Glen Beck has come out and endoursed Newt Gingrich. Said that he has been rattling everybodies chain by attacking him recently. Has anyone else heard that because I do not listen to Glen Beck and am getting this info second hand. So lets see, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Chuck Norris, Glen Beck, Micheal Reagan, Nancy Reagan etc etc etc have endourced Newt Gingrich, even Ron Paul has implied that he agrees with Newt with everything except foreign policy but yet we are still suppose to believe that he is the devil just waiting to pounce on the United States of America.
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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on
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You are exactly right Lee. Ron Paul has done a lousy job of explaining his position in this area. I believed as you do, for a long time, until I finally dug up or had presented to me what he meant by what he was saying. It's not as I pictured it then, or that you do now.
I'm not Cuban, but I have been to Cuba on a "few" occasions. Seems that everyone can go there except for Americans. I thought we were supposed to be "free" and Cubans were supposed to be the oppressed! I can tell you without hesitation or reservation that the "blockade" that's been in place for forty plus years hasn't worked. If anything it has exacerbated the problem. There is only one candidate with enough sense to state he would end it. And to further show the lunacy of the policy, Cuba is leasing China the rights to drill off the coast of Florida to tap into the same oil that if our government had any sense, would be recovering for ourselves. So we are the meat in the stupid sandwich. We tell Canada we don't want their oil, sell it to China, and we allow the Cubans to help China and get paid with our tax money, to drill to the south! How stupid is that?
I'm a sailor. I've been all over the Caribbean. And I can tell you that Cubans live a lot better than a lot of their neighbors. I've talked to those on the streets of Havana and there are a lot of them who have no animosity about their situation. They are not a free people. They don't have free speech. They do have rationing. But they do not want, for the most part, the basic necessities of life. And quite frankly, we don't have freedom of speech anymore either. Talk to whoever is standing next to you about Janet's goons at the airport. See if you are not singled out for extra screening. Speak publicly against this government, and its criminal activity in the form of Eric Holder and others, and see if you don't end up with a visit from the Secret Service to check you out. We are already living in a police state. And it's becoming more restrictive every day.
I might also point out that we haven't militarily "won" a war since WW II. So playing world policeman isn't working too well either. How many American lives have been given away, with no real results? North Korea is still there. We are now trading with Vietnam and it's a tourist attraction. We didn't win there. China is eating our lunch, dinner and breakfast on all fronts. Does that make you feel secure? Aren't they still Communist? We still talk and trade with them.
And how did our past policies prevent 9/11? What does our "open" boarder to the south do to prevent further destruction by muslims? What people are the fastest growing number of people entering the U.S.? Isn't it muslims? That certainly doesn't make me feel any safer. Their "bible" tells them to kill all non-muslims. That tells me I need to be armed to defend my home, and I better pay attention to who is on the streets in my immediate vicinity because homicide bombers will be here. It's just a matter of when.
Is anyone besides Ron Paul even discussing this stuff?
Lee Phillips said:I watched and listened to Ron Paul during the debates. I got the very distinct impression he would prefer talking and free trade when dealing with some of the very real enemies of this country. Now I don't have a problem with either talking or free trade. But you cannot stick your head in the sand and pretend that some of these nations do not have the destruction of the United States in mind.
If I am misinformed, then it was Ron Paul himself who misinformed me. In my opinion he is weak when it comes to national defense and this country needs a President who is going to be very strong in that area.
That being said, I would support Ron Paul over Barack Obama any day.
Lee, Ron Paul also agrees with military force to strike enemies who are bent on the destruction of the United States. If they reside beyond our borders. He voted to go after Ben Laden (see video). So it is misinformation that leads you to believe that he is only for just talking to the enemy...it is untrue.
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Jack, I do wish you would quit mischaracterizing what Ron Paul said. He did not say "he agreed" with Gingrich. He said he has brought Gingrich around to his way of thinking on the Fed. Nothing else.
And I don't watch GB either but I will be surprised if he endorses Gingrich. As to the others, they are all part of the established Republicans. And I think they see Gingrich as better than Romney, but I'm not sure they are saying anything beyond that. In that respect I would probably have to agree that Gingrich would be preferable to Romney. But the lessor of two evils is still evil. Don't forget that.
Jack Wright said:Hey has anyone else heard yet? Glen Beck has come out and endoursed Newt Gingrich. Said that he has been rattling everybodies chain by attacking him recently. Has anyone else heard that because I do not listen to Glen Beck and am getting this info second hand. So lets see, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Chuck Norris, Glen Beck, Micheal Reagan, Nancy Reagan etc etc etc have endourced Newt Gingrich, even Ron Paul has implied that he agrees with Newt with everything except foreign policy but yet we are still suppose to believe that he is the devil just waiting to pounce on the United States of America.
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LMAO! Sometimes a picture truly is worth a thousand words!
John said:Be careful Ken, your making to much sense...
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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on
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Ken, please don't tell me that you think 9/11 was an inside job and part of the government security theater to take away our liberty!
I do agree when we as citizens agree to excessive security measures for the sake of safety, that we have neither security nor safety from an overarching federal government.
One of the first things I would do as President is to eliminate the TSA and tell the airlines that they were directly responsible for ensuring security on their planes. Free market capitalists would come up with a better and more efficient solution than the TSA. If I could get the approprate laws repealed, I would.
On the other hand, I don't think Ron Paul has any good solutions to the national defense conundrum because he is weak in that area. And that was evident to me during the debates.
Lee, I completely understand your statement about "let's just talk to them" because I felt that way too. For a long time. Ron Paul has done a great job of discussing the economy. Of discussing the Fed. Not so great on discussing National Defense and Foreign Policy. And I don't know why his advisers aren't getting him to rectify that. R&T is right. It is a misconception that has existed for too long that Ron Paul is either an isolationist or weak on defense. He isn't. He's against government waste, pure and simple. He's against America's nation building activities, plain and simple.
Now you asked the question "You do remember 9/11 don't you?" Well, I sure do. And if you think the security theater that the government has been using to take away our liberty, for the sake of false security is the way to go, then the three stooges that represent mainstream Republican Failure, is the candidate for you. Just pick one. They are all three the same anyway so it doesn't really matter. Pick Romney because that way you will probably pick the "winner". Unfortunately you and I will both be the losers. If you liked the Soviet Union style of government, you can pick any one of the three stooges or keep OBozo. All four will get is there. It's just whether you want to ride the bullet train with OBozo, or take the old family sedan of Romnie, Gingrich, and Santorium.
If you drink from a poisoned well there is only one who wins. The Grim Reaper. But if you drink instead from the well of pure sweet water, then the Death of America will have to wait longer to rejoice.
Lee Phillips said:I think for myself and I don't support imperialism on the part of the United States to gain hegemony over other countries.
I do support the judicious use of military force to strike enemies who are bent on the destruction of the United States. If they reside beyond our borders, then so be it.
You do remember 9/11 don't you? If Americans think that radical Islamists don't want to destroy this country, then they are deluded.
All that Ron Paul nonsense about "let's just talk to them" is just that -- nonsense. You cannot "talk" to someone who has taken a blood oath to destroy you. They won't listen -- they just detonate the suicide vest.
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Yes Ken, other people besides Ron Paul are talking about this stuff, your just not listening very well. Ron Paul actually needs to stop talking about this stuff because he sure as hell isn't doing himself any favors. He is just alienating more and more people with his weak foreign policy. And yes he did say "that he (Newt) has come a long way, that he agrees with Newt on everything else, he just has a little more work to do on Newt with his foreign policy." go back and watch it again.....................
but then again maybe thats not what he really meant, since apparently he isnt saying what you say he really means about his foreign policy. I guess he is just a master of confusion. So come tuesday morning me and my confused self are going to go vote for Newt and hope that there are plenty more voters out here that are just as stupid and confused as I am.
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Lee, No I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. But I do think the "government" let us down because of negligence. Can you think of any one single thing that the government does well? I can't.
The point I was making was that the "Patriot Act" is anything but patriotic. Did you know that the reason you can no longer buy decongestants over the counter is because of the Patriot Act? Want to tell me how my not being able to breathe freely somehow combats terrorism? I would remind you that the terrorists that brought about 9/11 did not walk through "security" with their box cutters. The weapons were place on the plane ahead of time from baggage loading area. And all of Janets idiocy would not have stopped it.
You said what you would do as president in regards to the TSA. Funny. That's the same thing Ron Paul says. Then you say he doesn't have any good solutions. Okay, you're entitled to your opinions. But tell me. What good idea has anyone in government had in foreign relations since WW II? What "conflict" has worked. What has foreign aid to our enemies done for us? Like say Pakistan? Give me some examples of the brilliance of our leaders in the last forty years.
Lee Phillips said:Ken, please don't tell me that you think 9/11 was an inside job and part of the government security theater to take away our liberty!
I do agree when we as citizens agree to excessive security measures for the sake of safety, that we have neither security nor safety from an overarching federal government.
One of the first things I would do as President is to eliminate the TSA and tell the airlines that they were directly responsible for ensuring security on their planes. Free market capitalists would come up with a better and more efficient solution than the TSA. If I could get the approprate laws repealed, I would.
On the other hand, I don't think Ron Paul has any good solutions to the national defense conundrum because he is weak in that area. And that was evident to me during the debates.
Lee, I completely understand your statement about "let's just talk to them" because I felt that way too. For a long time. Ron Paul has done a great job of discussing the economy. Of discussing the Fed. Not so great on discussing National Defense and Foreign Policy. And I don't know why his advisers aren't getting him to rectify that. R&T is right. It is a misconception that has existed for too long that Ron Paul is either an isolationist or weak on defense. He isn't. He's against government waste, pure and simple. He's against America's nation building activities, plain and simple.
Now you asked the question "You do remember 9/11 don't you?" Well, I sure do. And if you think the security theater that the government has been using to take away our liberty, for the sake of false security is the way to go, then the three stooges that represent mainstream Republican Failure, is the candidate for you. Just pick one. They are all three the same anyway so it doesn't really matter. Pick Romney because that way you will probably pick the "winner". Unfortunately you and I will both be the losers. If you liked the Soviet Union style of government, you can pick any one of the three stooges or keep OBozo. All four will get is there. It's just whether you want to ride the bullet train with OBozo, or take the old family sedan of Romnie, Gingrich, and Santorium.
If you drink from a poisoned well there is only one who wins. The Grim Reaper. But if you drink instead from the well of pure sweet water, then the Death of America will have to wait longer to rejoice.
Lee Phillips said:I think for myself and I don't support imperialism on the part of the United States to gain hegemony over other countries.
I do support the judicious use of military force to strike enemies who are bent on the destruction of the United States. If they reside beyond our borders, then so be it.
You do remember 9/11 don't you? If Americans think that radical Islamists don't want to destroy this country, then they are deluded.
All that Ron Paul nonsense about "let's just talk to them" is just that -- nonsense. You cannot "talk" to someone who has taken a blood oath to destroy you. They won't listen -- they just detonate the suicide vest.
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Yeah John, there is no use arguing with some people on here. Lee and I are apparently riding the same short bus to the voting booth............................everyone else's opinion is stupid except for Ron Paul cult family members, and they wonder why they run everyone away......his followers do him more harm than good.
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Okay Jack. What are the other people besides Paul, and in this case we are actually talking about Santorum, Romney and Gingrich, actually saying about this? And what you have in quotes as being said is more representative than the out of context statement that Ron Paul agrees with everything Gingrich says.
The only other comment I can make is that it seems the Gingrich crowd is exactly the same as the Ron Paul crowd, other than who they support! I think the other thing Ron Paul and Gingrich share is that neither will win the delegates of Florida.
And Jack, I switched to Ron Paul. I could do that because I didn't have a closed mind.
Jack Wright said:Yes Ken, other people besides Ron Paul are talking about this stuff, your just not listening very well. Ron Paul actually needs to stop talking about this stuff because he sure as hell isn't doing himself any favors. He is just alienating more and more people with his weak foreign policy. And yes he did say "that he (Newt) has come a long way, that he agrees with Newt on everything else, he just has a little more work to do on Newt with his foreign policy." go back and watch it again.....................
but then again maybe thats not what he really meant, since apparently he isnt saying what you say he really means about his foreign policy. I guess he is just a master of confusion. So come tuesday morning me and my confused self are going to go vote for Newt and hope that there are plenty more voters out here that are just as stupid and confused as I am.
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Okay everyone, this discussion is starting to get personal. We are all going to have to agree that we disagree.
Can we at least agree on that?
I love it when people are passionate about their beliefs, but it is too easy to cross the line and start the insults.
Let's not do that please -- stay civil.
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You are correct Lee, but politics is a blood sport. I've seen nothing that should "offend" anyone. If you don't have thick skin, you may get your feelings hurt.
As far as Florida, between early voting and absentee voting, I think most of the votes have already been cast, so it's pretty much a moot point here anyway. However, in November it's another contest. And I would guess by then everyone will have forgotten everything going on today.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I do have a problem when they disagree without ever considering the arguments. Or when they continuously misstate things in order to make an invalid point. And I'm not stating that you fit in that category. Here is a perfect example of a hard hitting political argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8YDnd1Yoyk&feature=player_embed...!
The purpose is to change peoples minds. The Founders were no Casper Milquetoasts either when it came to arguments. It can get personal. But there are boundaries that should not be crossed. With that we will agree.
Lee Phillips said:Okay everyone, this discussion is starting to get personal. We are all going to have to agree that we disagree.
Can we at least agree on that?
I love it when people are passionate about their beliefs, but it is too easy to cross the line and start the insults.
Let's not do that please -- stay civil.
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Well said Ken.
In my opinion, some comments were starting to get close to that line. I guess I was just trying to get everyone to think about what they were going to say before they said. Name calling, a/k/a ad hominem attack, does not impress me. In fact, I think it demonstrates that the person making that kind of attack lacks a cogent argument and is forced to resort to school yard stuff.
My skin is pretty thick and I learned a long time ago not to hold grudges against anyone, with the possible exception of Barack Obama. I will check out that link.
Ken Stump said:You are correct Lee, but politics is a blood sport. I've seen nothing that should "offend" anyone. If you don't have thick skin, you may get your feelings hurt.
As far as Florida, between early voting and absentee voting, I think most of the votes have already been cast, so it's pretty much a moot point here anyway. However, in November it's another contest. And I would guess by then everyone will have forgotten everything going on today.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I do have a problem when they disagree without ever considering the arguments. Or when they continuously misstate things in order to make an invalid point. And I'm not stating that you fit in that category. Here is a perfect example of a hard hitting political argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8YDnd1Yoyk&feature=player_embed...!
The purpose is to change peoples minds. The Founders were no Casper Milquetoasts either when it came to arguments. It can get personal. But there are boundaries that should not be crossed. With that we will agree.
Lee Phillips said:Okay everyone, this discussion is starting to get personal. We are all going to have to agree that we disagree.
Can we at least agree on that?
I love it when people are passionate about their beliefs, but it is too easy to cross the line and start the insults.
Let's not do that please -- stay civil.
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