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Comment by ted ralston on April 15, 2013 at 9:59am

WWJD = what would Jefferson do ?...

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 15, 2013 at 9:46am

Certainly, I know you are sane!   Amanda likes to waste lots of your time on totally irrelevant things that stray from the actual blog..............I guess she thinks she is doing her part for the liberal cause that way!  Who knows.

Comment by ted ralston on April 15, 2013 at 8:38am

I don't expect to change her mind, merely point out I am not out of mine...

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 15, 2013 at 8:01am

Ted, sadly you are trying to have a discussion with someone who does not have discussions, but instead tries as hard as possible to waste your time and discredit anything said that does not agree with her liberal viewpoint or her friends of OWS.  I also agree for God to appear in so many places, they certainly were far from atheists and believed as Americans do in His hand being involved in our country from it's very beginnings.

Comment by ted ralston on April 15, 2013 at 7:25am

I am not saying that they were highly religious. I have read Jefferson, Madison, Adams and Franklin extensively. I have also read the Federalist and Anti Federalist papers, Common Sence and DeTouqueville  ( sp ). I am only saying that this was not a primarily secular country at it's founding and that those of the founders placed God in  different light than we do today. witness the numerous mentions of God in our national songs, founding documents and on the monuments, court houses capitols etc. and if you really study it go to the Pre-ambles of all the state constitutions he is mentioned in each of them.

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 14, 2013 at 6:13pm

Thank you Ted, and thanks for the update.  I am really glad you were there.

Comment by amanda choate on April 14, 2013 at 4:49pm

Adams, Franklin, Jefferson and Washington were all deists. They believed in a god but more a god of nature that could be seen in nature. They were all Christians but in their works you can easily read the influence of the philosphers of the Enlightenment. The strongest influence over these founders was reason and science. Those who make claims contrary to this simply do not study their lives closely at all. Theh were influenced by Christianity but did not allow it to dictate their philosophy.

Comment by ted ralston on April 9, 2013 at 5:37pm

we have only directed ourselves to a secular society in the last 30 + years.

while freedom of religion or not to exercise any religion has always been part of our legal code. and though people mistakenly believe the constitution advocates a wall of separation from religion there is a separation of church and state. our country was founded on Judeo Christian laws and always has had a very strong religious background.

I was in Tallahassee yesterday and testified for support of the bill, correcting several glaring errors in the ACLU testimony against the bill. 

for anyone interested the Bill SB 58 passed committee bay a 5-4 vote. too close.

I do not know which Senators voted nay. you will have to research that yourselves from the record.

Comment by Tom Wing on April 9, 2013 at 12:39pm

The reason that we all need SB 58 - American Laws for American Courts is because of the millions of immigrants that are coming into America.  Many of them, especially those of them with children,  Are subject to the court orders from foreign countries that are not in the best interests of the children.  For example during a court procedure in Florida it the father took off with the two children to Saudi Arabia and there was nothing that the mother could about it because Shariq Law dictates that the father automatically gets custody.  Additionally there are no provisions for things like joint custody that would the mother to have a continuing relationship with the children.  This is true even if the father is a pediphile.  Many foreign countries have laws and civil proceduress that are totally against our constitution and our rule of law.

For example in Saudi Arabia, there is no right to a trial by jury. Nor is there the right to discovery.  Females are not given the same access to civil procedures that males are given and there is no standard to the right of alimony or child support.  Also brutal sentences can be carried for what a Moslem  determines is blasphemy and there no first ammendment rightx which are determined to be offensive to the community at large.  The law itself is determined from religious edicts that would make no sence to anyone from America who values to protection of  the Constitution.

If you would like more information on the laws of some. Foreign countries,  let me know.

Comment by amanda choate on April 8, 2013 at 11:27am

Ted, the arguments made in this country against Catholics in the mid 1800's are the same ones being made now against Muslims. the fact is that we are a secular country and always have been. So even as Protestants were the vast majority for decades and decades, there has never been the notion that we would allow a religious doctrine rule our lives.

My problem is this; Tell me how this shift to Sharia law happens? Is it through the courts? legislature? ballot initiative? constitutional amending process?

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