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Comment by JL Gawlik on February 3, 2012 at 8:40am

Roma, the word "welfare" did not mean the same as it does today like you pointed out. Back then the word meant "well fare" meant general well being, not government providing for. I typed in welfare meaning 1787.

Just like the 'natural born' came from a old English law 300 years prior to 1787 that the British used to define 'natural borne subjects' in our US Constitution but some people claim it came from some papers/book written by Emerich de Vattel's 1758 treatise The Law of Nations was quoted by a Supreme Court justice Peter Vivian Daniel in 1857. Keep in mind that we did not have instant access to works written like we have now. What the Founding Fathers' used to write the US Constitution were based on well-known laws and words of the time of 1787. 

It is just incredible what they actually created and accomplish in those years by studying previous governments known to man at the time. Really quiet a miracle when you sit down and digest it all.

What are you using to study the Constitution?

On Gingrich's statement of impeaching judges, the President does not have that power, Congress does and it has to go through a process. Congress also has the power to defund districts. I would have to listen to him making that statement, i believe it is being misquoted. 

Gingrich has many videos of him talking about history and then US Constitution. Personally i think he is being misquoted and miss-represented in many micro second of video is wrong. Unfortunately i was not paying attention at the time but i have a dear friend who was and she took his course on Returning to Conservatism that he offered back in the 80s and 90s and she remembers very well what Gingrich was all about and he pushed new ideas but respected the US Constitution and was very conservative.

Weird how Gingrich is being demonized but Obama who was from a few people who remember him from Occidental College have surfaced to state that Obama was a Marxist and still is. He wanted a revolution to happen in America.

Gingrich has a BA, MA and PH.D in History. He is a Historian and a very good one also. For him to make that statement as a history buff, i would have to listen to the WHOLE VIDEO. And take his statement as a WHOLE. Not mili-micro-seconds. That is the most dangerous thing our society has evolved into, is the access to so much information available in micro-second videos or audio... not the whole picture, we need to look at the truth, facts and the whole picture. To really understand the US Constitution, we must look at the language and the words of the time, like you pointed out, not what it would mean now. It is really a incredible document!

Here is a interesting link to the Old English Law and comments at the time of our US Constitution was written:

http://www.blackstoneinstitute.org/sirwilliamblackstone.html

You can web search Old English Law and bring up more sources.

The Tenth Amendment Center is a great source as well as the Independence Institute (Robert G Natelson)

Comment by JL Gawlik on February 3, 2012 at 8:39am

Wish we could comment below comments... Love ya' too Roma, i have learned so much from you on this blog and from many others also. 

Great comment Bill, it truly is a incredible document.

Comment by Cord Byrd on February 3, 2012 at 8:23am

Bill,

I always enjoy sharing my knowledge about the constitution so keep the questions coming.

The Constitution is law just as any other law is.  The genius of the founders was understanding  human nature and man's tendency to abuse power which is why they created a system of divided government.  No matter how artfully a law is drafted it will be subject to interpretation especially by those wanting to attain power.  Ultimately it is up to us, the people, to elect good people to represent us and then and most importantly hold them accountable.  We have lost the skill of citizenship in this country but we are slowly getting it back. It is hard work but worth fighting for.

Comment by JL Gawlik on February 3, 2012 at 7:24am

OOPS!!! I was typing a reply to another blog and accident hit enter when i should of done a cut n' paste.

My sincere apologies for any confused moments created. That should not have happened. It does look weird, especially after all the great information and comments posted beforehand. I was just going to delete but decided it needed some explaining so i am leaving it up. I apparently am not good at multi-tasking... *G*

Comment by Bill Jefferson on February 2, 2012 at 6:24pm

Chalk that up as....

ONE MORE GLOBALISTS EXPOSED FOR WHAT HE IS

Great Video Roma and Tom !!!

Comment by Bill Jefferson on February 2, 2012 at 6:22pm

W    O    W  !!

Comment by JL Gawlik on February 2, 2012 at 6:12pm

Just read my comment history and any idiot can see that...

i am nothing MORE...

or NOTHING LESS than i post...

I try to stay with the TRUTH and FACTs period.

Go figure...

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on February 2, 2012 at 5:37pm

Roma, Gingrich did not say favorite president in that he agreed with what he did, but the speed with which he got things done.  He was efficient and effective, but if you listen to what Gingrich said, he said he did not agree with his ideology.  I think I have mentioned this before, so I guess you choose not to present things in their true light or perhaps you didn't read read what I said or haven't seen the video? 

Comment by Bill Jefferson on February 2, 2012 at 4:05pm

Cord,

Thank you kindly.  That was perfectly clear and very helpful.  I bet you didn't know you were signing up to teach a Constitution class, did you?  If you don't mind, a brief comment and short follow-up questions.  I only ask because I am certain others will be helped when they read this page.

So, "the clauses" are a word or phrase that certain individuals have plucked from the constitution in order to make claims of interpretation, either well meaning or intentionally for their own benefit.

The People have somehow lost control of the Constitution by the use or misuse of these very same clauses.

Do you view the correction of the misuse of "the clauses" our most important Constitutional issue?

Can the standing government (both party's of course) be forced to apply the laws of the Constitution correctly... that is, without force?

 

Comment by Cord Byrd on February 2, 2012 at 3:44pm

Bill,

I will try to address your question without getting to far into the weeds.

The enumerated, listed and identified, powers of the federal government are in Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.  If they are not there then the federal government cannot act and ALL powers not enumerated are left to the people and to the states.

The Commerce Clause- this is where congress makes most of its mischief, the original intent was to make commerce regular between the states, e.g. Florida would have the same gauge railroad tracks as Georgia etc.  But now it is used to cover ANYTHING that may conceivably have an impact on commerce, like mandating the purchase of healthcare .

The necessary and proper clause, does not mean congress can do whatever it believes to be necessary and proper as some congressmen like to claim.  It only applies to the foregoing list of enumerated powers.  For example, the constitution says the federal government can "support a navy."  The necessary and proper clause allows congress to pass a law appropriating funds to purchase fuel, buy uniforms build bases etc.

The supremacy clause says that were the federal and a state government BOTH have power to act in a certain area, and the laws are in conflict, the federal law will be supreme.  BUT it is only supreme if it is constitutional, if the federal law is not constitutional the supremacy clause does not come into play. 

The general welfare clause is found within the spending clause related to collecting taxes and paying debts of the federal government.  The "welfare" in this clause does not mean providing food stamps and ebt cards as the dems often claim.  The general welfare refers to the things that are done for the benefit of the nation as a whole and not for local or regional benefit.  To Madison the phrase was shorthand for doing what is in the best interest of the nation, but only to further the ends of the specifically enumerated powers.

Hope this helps!

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