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Comment by Jim Kuhn on January 2, 2012 at 8:53pm

Thank you, Roma and Tom, for posting the links to Romney's past politics. These and more give me concern with him being in the drivers seat in the White House.

Comment by Roma and Tom on January 2, 2012 at 8:39pm

 P.S. can't believe I typed Pink Panthers instead of Black Panthers in one of the proceeding posts... oops, too late to correct it now.  :-D

Comment by Roma and Tom on January 2, 2012 at 8:30pm

JR,

I have serious concerns about Romney.  Mostly because of what he said this video:

Then he has this record which backs up what he says about having progressive ideas

• Cato Institute says: "Mitt Romney decries the excesses of ObamaCare, yet refuses to admit that the plan he championed in Massachusetts provided Obama with a model. In key areas, the two plans are essentially identical. Cato Institute Executive Vice President David Boaz and Director of Health Policy Studies Michael F. Cannon discuss the politics and policy of RomneyCare and Obamacare." see video Here:http://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-video/david-boaz-michael-f-cann...

• He is criticized for saying he believes in Global Warming.  However he added that he would not impose Cap And Trade on U.S. because it would put us at a disadvantage:  see more here: at Washing Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-draws-early-fire-fr...

• Romney at CPAC 2009 "I know we didn’t all agree on TARP. I believe that it was necessary to prevent a cascade of bank collapses. For free markets to work, there has to be a currency and a functioning financial system. But we can agree on this: TARP should not have been used to bail out GM, Chrysler and the UAW. And this is personal for me, I want the U. S. auto industry to succeed. But as some of us pointed out last November, that can only happen if its excessive costs and burdens are restructured. And concessions are going to be few and far between if bondholders and unions already have your money when the negotiating begins. The right answer for Detroit is this: Fix it first."http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0209/Romney_at_CPAC.html?sho...

• In the CNN Presidential Debate Romney was asked if he would raise the debt ceiling, and he said only if the President brought forth a balanced budget plan...that does not tell us what he would do as president...????. (I thought this an odd way to answer that question. Is he not serious in this run, and if not, why is he up there?)  He was also not clear on what items he would cut on the budget.

• Take a look at who his donations come from: Open Secrets http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N0... 
• On The Issues says: http://www.issues2000.org/Mitt_Romney.htm

• Numbers USA gives him a D on illegal immigration...see why at this link http://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/mitt-romney.html

Comment by J.R. on January 2, 2012 at 7:47pm

@Jim Kuhn... Obamacare was not patterned after the Massachusetts healthcare program that was only designed for 8% of the people of that state who were too poor to have any adequate healthcare coverage or treatment. It did not cover the other 92%. Also, Gov. Romney vetoed parts of the passed healthcare bill, but the 84% Democrat-controlled Massachusetts State Legislature over-rode his veto in each case. It was never designed or intended to be used as a model for the entire state or the entire country. Romney could have then vetoed the entire bill, but that would have deprived the poorest of the poor of any decent healtcare. By working in a cooporative effort with the Legislature, he was able to get most of his major conservative objectives enacted into law, which would likely not have occurred otherwise. Romney is no liberal. He is a man of character and a principled husband and father whose life has been exemplary. Further Romney... and Michelle Bachman... are the two candidates who have the best background, preparation and experience to rescue the economy and put millions of Americans back to work. And both of them have backgrounds that will prevent the kind of character assassination and attacks for bad political decisions other candidates in the running would be exposed to... such as Rick Santorum's long history of bringing earmark pork back to his state of Pennsylvania. I believe a Romney/Bachman ticket would be a winner, especially in this economy, and it would likely garner a large portion of the female vote, as well as Tea Party vote. Michele Bachman founded the Tea Party Caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives, has been a huge supporter of the Tea Party nationwide, and has taught the Constitution to other members of Congress.

Comment by J.R. on January 2, 2012 at 7:14pm

Right you are, as usual, Roma. Good to hear from you, too, my friend. Thanks for the heritage.org link. Unions have also infiltrated all levels of government employment, which is bread and butter for the international unions, as well as the Democrats whom they support. They are also linked in with the United Nations and their objectives of global government and unionization of all the world's workers. If you visit the U.N. website, you will find they are very linked in with the global union movement. And the U.S. and Japan have footed the bill for it for many years, through paying a huge percentage of the total U.N. dues.  We have Democrat Franklin D. Roosvelt to thank for the feckless, but dangerous, United Nations, since he and the then leader of the U.S.S.R. spent 10 years setting up the U.N. to take the place of the League of Nations that failed and ended up in the dustbin of history. Harry Truman signed the U.N. Charter 13 days after Roosevelt's death. Big mistake and we're still paying for it... a perfect example of biting the hands of those who feed them. Same ethic applies to the unions who hate all the non-unionized workers' whose taxes contribute largely to union gained benefits that keep government employees paying their bribes to unions in order to have their jobs. It's welfare for the U.N. and the unions... and pay-too-work for the forced union members. Some folks are just more equal than other folks, it seems.

Comment by Roma and Tom on January 2, 2012 at 7:02pm

I understand your concerns Gus.  During our early history politics was openly discussed, and people often disagreed.  Even our Founding Fathers disagreed at times.  But we came to believe that one should not talk politics or religion with anyone who might disagree with us.  As a result, we have lost the the ability to understand, listen to or respect different points of view.  We are learning  all over again how to disagree agreeably.

But the most unifying document is the Constitution.  It united a Nation, and can do it again.  If we look for the candidate who best adheres to the Constitution and our Mission Statement, we will be united.

Comment by Gus Pasko on January 2, 2012 at 6:46pm

One thing that has become apparent with this discussion, we all have different points of view on specific issues.  I can only imagine how these posts are going to degrade as we get into the Primary Elections and we differ on who we support and who we think can beat Obama in 2012.  I am not for censorship, but I can already see what is going to happen as one person expresses support for a candidate that another person opposes (and vice versa).  It isn't going to be pretty.  I propose we come up with a plan now, so we do not turn these posts into a string of insults and name calling as things really heat up.  It frightens me how many Conservatives are already threatening to "Stay Home", if their candidate doesn't get the Republican nomination.  Maybe we should have went for a New 3rd Party, but it is too late for that.  We would only insure 4 more years of Obama at this point, in my opinion.  I am all for proving a point to the "Republican Establishment", but not at the expense of Mutually Assured Destruction.  I'll take an imperfect/weak conservative over a well documented Marxist any day! 

Comment by Roma and Tom on January 2, 2012 at 6:22pm

Two years before the demonstrations, Glenn Beck uncovered were Progressives (George Soros, the Socialist Party, the Pink Panthers, the International Labor Union, ext) were planning these demonstrations in the U.S. as they had in the Middle East.

Words often used by Progressives are:

• "the Constitution is a living document to be interpreted in modern terms" (meaning trash the Constitution)

• "We need a world governing power to control global banks and corporations" (this they use in school text books, but do not add that these global banks and corporations would not exist without bailouts and government subsidies)

• "The Constitution was not designed for terrorism, and the internet" (meaning trash the Constitution, and regulate the internet)

• Progressives (as they describe themselves)

• Early 20th Century ideas

• New World Order

• World Leaders (as they often describe themselves)

• Centrists

• Moderates

• Tax the 1%

• redistribution

• Nation building

• spreading democracy

• "never let an emergency pass without taking advantage of it" (meaning Americans are more willing to give up their liberties in times of emergency

Comment by Roma and Tom on January 2, 2012 at 6:06pm

Good to hear from my friend JR again.  You are right JR.  I might add that the occoupy organizers (not necessarily the participants who are simply pawns) call themselves "progressives".

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/07/the-progressive-mo...

They have been working behind the scenes in the U.S. as far back as Woodrow Wilson's time.  It is "two steps forward, and one step back", and with this practice,  they have infiltrated our political system, and our educational system with their hidden agenda explained in the above article from the Heritage Foundation (see link above).

Comment by J.R. on January 2, 2012 at 6:00pm

A few more facts. Wade Rathke was the founder of ACORN, Stephen Lerner is a top SEIU official. Both are functioning as community organizers and have been coordinating with Patrick Gaspard, a policy (political) advisor in the White House re "Occupy." Further, Anna Burger, former SEIU President, now retired, has been working in the White House as a member of a commission. Both ACORN and SEIU, international organizations dedicated to organizing all the world's workers, have been pouring union and corporate funds into Democrat coffers for 2012, which is what "Occupy" is all about... getting Obama re-elected and turning America into a socialist country. Obama & the Democrats have a symbiotic relationship with major unions and ACORN, for they feed off of and monetarily/politically support each other. Big problem: the use of foreign money in American elections... even in the Duval County election of Mayor Alvin Brown. SEIU and the former Organizing for Obama that changed its name to Organizing for America after Obama's election, poured money and manpower into getting out the vote for Brown. Same thing happened in Tampa for the Democrat who won the Mayoral race there. Two months later, they began using their state groups already organized for "Occupy" to begin their get out the vote efforts for Election 2012... a BIG head start.

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