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Comment by DURWIN WALTER DAVIS on July 30, 2011 at 2:18pm

IBM offered to help reduce Medicare fraud for free... The offer is true.  Mort Zuckermann, US News and World Report, a Democrat, was interviewed on Fox and confirmed it. IBM has confirmed it. You won't believe it.  IBM offered to help reduce Medicare fraud for free.  The Chairman and CEO of IBM, Samuel J. Palmisano, approached President Obama and members of his administration before the healthcare bill debates with a plan that would reduce healthcare expenditures by $900 billion.  Obama refused.  Overdose of “Spenditol”?  No.  Ingrained deep hatred of the U.S.A. and its Judeo-Christian work ethic.

Comment by DURWIN WALTER DAVIS on July 25, 2011 at 1:02pm

Does anyone remember the Bush Bailout of "A.I.G."?  The reason was that AIG was the guarantor of the federal pension plans.  So save the federales first and throw the privateers, pirated by the federals, under the bus.  I actually look forward to the collapse of the federal government, especially under its own weight.  Its the similar scenario played out on TV about the collapse from invading space aliens.  Federal bureaucrats are alien to working America.  I call their bluff.  Collapse indeed!  (How many aliases does this detractor have?  Is she a shape-shifter?)

Comment by tamara stephenson on July 25, 2011 at 12:38pm

Ahhhh condescension from a wiki master, the authority on everything. So please go back to wiki and explain Medicare and how it might be funded going forward. And how my position differs from Reagan or mirrors Pelosi?

Comment by robert c tipton on July 24, 2011 at 9:06pm

  Bob Tipton

            Dear amanda I invite you to Google wikpedia --Social Security--You will find an in depth study of social security--"social security is a social insurance program funded thru dedicated payroll taxes"

 Thus the deductions are to pay the INSURANCE PREMIUMS The study further states"tax deposits are formally entrusted to the Federal Old Age and Survivors INSURANCE Trust Fund"In particular read the section on F I C A.Social Security is and always been a forced placed INSURANCE program similar to an INSURANCE ANNUITY forced upon us without our choice or permission. All Insurance programs are based on the dictates of actuarial studies --The premiums charged are an amount that assures the insured is paid a certain amount over a certain period of time based on age and time--Insurance of any kind never assumes that the proceeds are to be paid to an insured from premiums paid by other 

policy holders  premiums-rather they are to be paid from each individual insureds premiums plus investment income. To do otherwise is a Ponzi scheme or a Maddoff scheme.The net effect on the debt limit or deficits can not be from S S -UNLESS the treasury can not make good on its I O U s it gave to S S when it took money from the trust fund.Any deficit is not a failure of the S S Trust fund -In the real world any Insurance Company that operated the way S S has would be put into receivership and those responsible would be arrested .I cite all this as but a small part of what you can learn by going to the website. Once you have an intelligent understanding of SOCIAL SECURITY INSURANCE you will be better equipped to discuss the subject.   

Comment by amanda choate on July 24, 2011 at 12:17pm

Durwin or Patricia, please tell me how your argument differs from that of Pelosi and how mine differs from that of Reagan? Or anyone can jump in on this. Please tell me

In 1961 Ronald Reagan made an album called- The Case Against Socialized Medicine.

He went around the country speaking to groups, giving "The Speech."

 

It is on YouTube, it is everywhere on the internet, read it and tell again that it is me that is out of step with the conservative philosophy. You are only addressing your own self interest. Very Randian.

Unless you use someone else's money to achieve this independence, then it is just what it is, hypocrisy. Either be all in one way or the other. But please don't call me names and accuse me of not being for what the Tea Party is about, because if you are for smaller government, fiscally responsible government, freedom and liberty, then that comes with good and bad stuff personally. I am okay with that because I want the other things that smaller government means too.

Comment by amanda choate on July 24, 2011 at 11:48am

I'm sure many of you are wondering why there's any objection to using the Social Security system to finance medical care for the aged. Well first of all, it is a misnomer to think of Social Security as being insurance. In the Nestor vs. Fleming case heard before the Supreme Court in 1959, the Department of justice in its brief said, "the OASI program is in no sense a federally-administered insurance program under which each worker pays premiums over the years and acquires at retirement an indefeasible right to receive a fixed monthly benefit. The contributions exacted, are a tax." Many people also have the mistaken impression that Social Security benefits are paid out of accumulated reserves, similar to private insurance programs, when in truth the program is fi­nanced almost entirely on a pay-as-you-go basis, with the benefits paid out of current income. Pay-as-you-go means that the government raises, through current taxes, just enough money to pay the cost of the benefits currently due. No one prepays his own benefits. Today's taxpayers pay for today's beneficiaries. The acceptance of the King bill would actually mean that our children and grandchildren will be asked to pay ever-increasing Social Security taxes to finance the medical-care needs of the previous generations. With growing families, young people have enough difficulty trying to make ends meet without assuming the additional obligation of paying higher taxes to pay for the medical-care needs of all over sixty-five, many of whom are in better financial shape than those paying the tax.

 

Ronald Reagan 1961- The Case Against Socilaized Medicine

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on July 24, 2011 at 11:17am

Amanda, please go crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out from under.  You aren't gaining traction here.  Surely, you must notice that all your insulting, misguided remarks are doing you no good at all and are a waste of everyone's time.  Find another venue where they appreciate folks who are fond of minipulating what folks say and twisting them into something which is NOT in the least what was said or implied.  Go take care of the kids or husband or whatever it is you do with what little time you must have left after coming on here trying to start arguments with everyone.  And you know, please tell me, what the heck good you are accomplishing????  You are attacking the wrong group if you are trying to effect change in policies.  Besides that is letting all of us know you are a space cadet.

Comment by amanda choate on July 24, 2011 at 10:37am

So Medicare, pushed through by Johnson, re-inforced by Humphrey, that program, is now a conservative program? Please help me because I can't understand when that un-funded social welfare program became a conservative cause. If you go back to the debate on Medicare,after the fact by Rockefellar and Reagan's campaign in 1968, their complaint was that the math just didn't work once it was played out. That the number workers to retirees would eventually require a huge tax on the third generation, me.

This argument against Medicare wasn't put forth by a crazy liberal, but by Ronald Reagan. So call me names and tell me I do not know what I am talking about, but Ronald Reagan was the the very man who said thatit wouldn't work. Guess what, he was right. And it isn't crack mommas taht are breaking the bank. it is retirees who live for thirty years on the teat.

Comment by DURWIN WALTER DAVIS on July 24, 2011 at 8:06am

GOD BLESS AMERICA.  I wish we had an inherent government, but alas, its made up of human beings.  We all pretty much understand that personalities of this specie can run from Jesus Christ to Josef Stalin.  Government will fit somewhere in between.  If I pass anything on to my grandchildren, it is, "never trust or take for granted, your government".  Not to be jaded, but alert to potential wrongdoing.  Heaven exists, but not here, not yet.  "Insure the general welfare" is a general term and not specific, definitive policy.  Re-distribution of wealth is the backbone of the Socio-communists.  The IRS is the bad government agency.  If we implement a consumptive tax, or a flat rate tax, we COULD eliminate the need for the IRS.

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on July 24, 2011 at 7:18am

Amanda, after some of what I have just read in your comments, I now understand you believe we are the folks that did wrong, and that just is not so.  No one told us some of what you are insisting we were too stupid not to know.  And you can try to villianize me til the cows come home; it won't work!  The government was at fault on this, not me and not millions of folks who believed them.   We are not the villians; we were played and no amount of your rhetoric will change that.  If you want to vent you rath on someone, vent it on your government is is setting up 2 or 3 more ponzi systems for you and younger people to pay into that will end exactly the same way.  My husband and I know they lie and have lied.  They have already done it 2 us on a couple other matters.  You really add nothing to the conversation taking place, because you are not about solutions or even possible solutions; you are about attaching the very people who were taken advantage of and played!  Go take you wrath out on those responsible for the mess we are in.  I don't think you will get far, but you might try that approach since most of us have truly tired of your repeated rhetoric!

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