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Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 25, 2011 at 8:26pm

Mrs. Choate,

Thank you for proving my argument with your own words..... so refreshing that we finally agree!!!!

 

I applaud your brilliant observation two post down...."You should be able to achieve consenus, but unanimity needn't be a goal. If it is then what is sought isa blind allegiance. And if that is what is required, I should leave this group. But intellecual deadends are all that await."

 

ISLAM requires BLIND Allegiance under the penalty of DEATH and they have UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS or IJMA on this issue as I explained and posted an article in this debate by Dr. Farooq who teaches atan American University.

 

SO now that we agree Islam is a Group You would not want to be part of due to intellectual Dead Ends... you might want to finally ask your friend Mrs. Fakhoury why she would work so tirelessly to sway the American Public it is anything else????

Comment by Peggy Hall on November 25, 2011 at 1:20pm

Amanda, why don't you just pack it in and give up?  Everyone in this group is a thinking person, with their own values.  Apparently, your values are a bit different than ours.  Islam is not a religion, it is a theocracy.  We do not want Islam and Sharia nor socialism or any other ism.  You are wasting your time here.  At this point, I doubt that anyone will pay anymore attention to you as it is also a waste of their time.  Take you muslim loving self and go bye bye. 

Comment by amanda choate on November 25, 2011 at 9:59am

ACT, I will only make these two points.
One, you still have only insinuated Dr. Fakhoury's guilt by association and. Innuendo. That alone violates the most basic tenets we hold, innocent until proven guilty. Inaction on some invented pledge proves nothing.
Two, citing the Q'uran as proof that Muslims can5 possibly share our ethics is ridiculous. The Bible says we shouls stone to death adulterers. That mixing clothing of different fabrics, punishable. Lot took his daughters on as his wives. Wives were okay in the plural. So on and so forth. It doesn't translate.
Go ahead, it is fine, say what you choose, dedride me, few here will do anything but hold you harmless, because that is how groups and orginizations operate. I abhor group think, it leads to catastrophes.
NASA and the Challenger.
The Titanic.
Penn State scandal and on. And on.
The first thing groups have to be aware of is the tendancy of groups to protect the group ahead of doing thed right thing. Vigilence in this regard is primary. Anytime a whole group agrees to something there is a prblem. You should be able to achieve consenus, but unanimity needn't be a goal. If it is then what is sought isa blind allegiance. And if that is what is required, I should leave this group. But intellecual deadends are all that await.

Comment by Jeanne DeSilver on November 24, 2011 at 3:40pm

  Why can't these comments be read consecutively in sequence, without having to hunt for the next page, which seems to jump around without any reason, - very frustrating!

Comment by Peggy Hall on November 23, 2011 at 8:42pm

Sounds to me like Mrs. Choate should be in NYC with OWS getting scabbies, among other things.

Chris Christie?  LOL!  The same Chris Christie who appointed Sohail Mohammed to NJ Supreme?  And the same Chris Christe who went to the WH state dinner for the commie murderer?.  I could go on, but won't.  What a joke using him as reference.  He has sold his soul to Passaic County, and others.

Amanda is OBVIOUSLY not a Tea Partier.  Goodness Randy, you have the patience of Job. 

God bless all patriots and have a Happy Thanksgiving. 

And may God bless America.

 

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 23, 2011 at 7:44pm

http://www.investigativeproject.org/2506/gov-christie-strange-relat...

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 23, 2011 at 7:40pm

Mrs. Choate,

 

Now Governor Christie become your authority on ISLAM and Sharia Law.   I have posted actual legal code for Muslims as my basis or authoritative Islamic Sharia Law and Quranic verses which carry authority and now you use the opinion of a Governor with very dubious ties to Islamist as you apologist, when you could simply provide Manal the opportunity to prove how truly "Moderate" she is and that she does not follow those barbaric legal code such as killing a person who is an apostate for exercising their CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right to RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

 

You have used every excuse not to confront the issue.  You began this debate by defending you FRIEND but refuse to use a simple tool which would prove you correct and destroy my argument if she as a SELF PROCLAIMED CIVIL RIGHTS worker would just sign this document which we all can agree is a Human Rights and Civil Rights Issue.

 

 

To support the civil rights of former Muslims, also known as apostates from Islam, I sign “The Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom and Safety from Harm for Former Muslims”:

 

I renounce, repudiate and oppose any physical intimidation, or worldly and corporal punishment, of apostates from Islam, in whatever way that punishment may be determined or carried out by myself or any other Muslim including the family of the apostate, community, Mosque leaders, Shariah court or judge, and Muslim government or regime.

Signature: _________________________________________________________________________

Printed Name: _____________________________________________________________________

Organization/Title: __________________________________________________________________

Date: _____________________________________________________________________________

Comment by amanda choate on November 23, 2011 at 6:54pm

Roma and Tom the part you posted about generational differences rings so true.

Comment by amanda choate on November 23, 2011 at 4:53pm

To all:

As I am being rebuked on many fronts, lets get to it.

I am against paying into a failed policy that is Medicare. There is absolutely no provisions provided by anyone anywhere that the money I am forced to pay in now will provide me any coverage thirty years from now. So put me down as a wild eyed liberal on that one. Ditto for Social security.

I criticize politicians that align themselves with corporate interests that place the interests ordinary citizens behind these same corporations. So when I hear Newt took money from Fannie and Freddie and 37 million from insurance interests while promoting a federal mandate for health insurance, I will rail against him.

When I discover that Herman Cain, a former lobbyist, is out selling books and doesn't bother to learn foreign policy and that his tax plan will raise my taxes 7-9 thousand dollars, he too shall bear my wrath.

I do not believe that corporations possess the same rights I do.

I do not believe that cash is equivalent to speech.

I am for the Koch brothers rights to seek to sway the rules in their favor and equally for my right to discern the differnce between what is their best interest and mine.

I loathe hypocrisy. It is rampant in politics. Republicans in this field have exhibited a tone deafness in this regard.

I admit that my two favorites chose not to run, has Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie joined my choice would have been clearer.

 I think the Dream Act makes economic and moral sense.

I believe there are two kinds of freedom and they are equal in every respect. 

Freedom from and freedom to.

I read a post from Patricia McBride, (sorry for dragging you into this Patricia) in which BoA was transferring 75 trillion dollars worth of derivatives into their FDIC insured operations. So whereas they had privatized the profit, they transferred the risk onto taxpayers. And I realize they have stuck it to us again. So I have empathy for the Occupiers.

I believe that we can build a state in which private enterprise flourishes and state and federal governements do the the things that they do well, with more than just a nod to efficiency and economy, rather a full out effort. That they respect the effort it takes to fund their departments and agencies.

So I wonder what this woman would have to do other than renounce her religion  that would satisfy those here. So villify me and her that is cool it is your perogative.

But here is Governor Christie on this same subject:

Happy Thanksgiving!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/chris-christie-slams-fearmongeri...

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 23, 2011 at 8:14am

Tom and Roma,

 

Here is a statement by Mrs. Fakhoury stating 911 was not because of Islam, but due to American Policies....e.g. our own fault, but yet she host fundraisers for our most prominent elected officials and those running for office in both parties.

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