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Comment by amanda choate on November 17, 2011 at 5:12am

Are American former Muslims being put to death?

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 11:20pm

Amanda,  I am sorry... this is not fair.  You are just not armed to engage in this debate.  Please make youself familiar with these terms and the Trilogy.  

 

Abrogation or Progressive Revealation as it applies to Islamic Doctrine then we can have an intelligent conversation on equal ground.   Right now you are running on emotion and personal feelings and not knowledge or facts.

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 11:13pm

Amanda, Really?  is this the best you can come up with?  not even sure what your point is supposed to be?   Are you endorsing the IIIT?  

CAIR is a Federally designated Muslim Brother hood Front Group and the Palestine Committee aka HAMAS in the largest terrorism Finance case in U.S. history and CAIR member were sentenced to 65 Years in Prison as a result.   Spedifically they were funding the families of Suicide Bombers.

Congresswoman Sue Myrick called them the Propaganda arm of Hamas in America... and she just happens to be the Co-Chair of the Counter Terrorism Caucus. 

Howver, IIIT or the International Institute of Islamic Thought put their seal of approval in the Umdat Al Salik aka Reliance of the Traveller or Sacred Islamic Law Manual which calls for your death as a non-Muslim.  This translation was in 1999 not a 1000 years ago.

 

o9.0 JIHAD

(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion

 

So I can assume you care NOTHING for the rights of American Musims who want to worship in their own way or want to leave Islam?   Manal, her husband and Bedier have refused to sign the Religous Freedom Pledge... they as Civil Rights activist and Human Rights Commisioners should lead the way and set an example for other to follow but refuse to.... and therefore do not agree we should all have equal rights.   I guess you support this view?    If you do not... I again challenge you to get just one of them to sign the pledge.   PUT UP OR SHUT UP!   dont try to obfuscate or redirect.

Comment by amanda choate on November 16, 2011 at 10:44am

So I looked up IIIT and it turns out one their own just won a lifetime service award from CAIR.

Dr. Iqbal Unus, Director of The Fairfax Institute at IIIT received CAIR’s 2011 Lifetime Service Award.

So since CAIR is associated with the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, how is IIIT any better than al Queda.

 

Comment by amanda choate on November 16, 2011 at 10:37am

So any Muslim who doesn't sign this pledge is an enemy of this country?

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 5:18am

Amanda, as soon as you get this pledge signed by Manal, her Husband, or Bedier.... I will concede you correct.  Anyone not all.... you will have no such luck.

But I ask you pubicly concede I am correct when all three refuse sign this Document which as stated earlier is a Human Rights Issue and Constitutional issue.   Bedier and Manal say they are advocates for Civil Rights and Bedier is President of the Tampa Human Rights Commission ...this should be an easy task as simple email to the commissioner and Manal and Husband who are the secretary and president of the Islamic Center of Ocala.   Would love to see these community leaders set an example for those who misunderstand their faith and commit acts of violence in the name of the religion of peace.

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 4:59am

REST OF PLEDGE

 

Ismail R. Al-Faruki , the Founder of International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), Islam, 1979 (p. 68):  “That is why Islamic Law has treated people who have converted out of Islam as political traitors…[Islam] must deal with the traitors when convicted after due process of law either with banishment, life imprisonment, or capital punishment…but once their conversion is proclaimed, they must be dealt with as traitors to the state.”

 

Louay Safi, the former Executive Director of IIIT and the Executive Director of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Leadership Development Center, Peace and the Limits of War, IIIT publication, 2003 (p. 25): “A quiet desertion of personal Islamic duties is not a sufficient reason for inflicting death on a person.  Only when the person’s desertion of Islam is used as a political tool for instigating a state of disorder, or revolting against the law of Islam, can the individual apostate then be put to death as a just punishment for his act of treason and betrayal of the Muslim community.” 

 

Shaikh Syed Abul A’ala Maududi, Pakistani Islamic authority, The Punishment of the Apostate According to Islamic Law, translation by Syed Silas Husain, 1994: “In any case the heart of the matter is that children born of Muslim lineage will be considered Muslims and according to Islamic law the door of apostasy will never be opened to them. If anyone of them renounces Islam, he will be as deserving of execution as the person who has renounced kufr to become a Muslim and again has chosen the way of kufr. All the jurists of Islam agree with this decision. On this topic absolutely no difference exists among the experts of shari'ah.”

Therefore:

 

To support the civil rights of former Muslims, also known as apostates from Islam, I sign “The Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom and Safety from Harm for Former Muslims”:

 

I renounce, repudiate and oppose any physical intimidation, or worldly and corporal punishment, of apostates from Islam, in whatever way that punishment may be determined or carried out by myself or any other Muslim including the family of the apostate, community, Mosque leaders, Shariah court or judge, and Muslim government or regime.

Signature: _________________________________________________________________________

Printed Name: _____________________________________________________________________

Organization/Title: __________________________________________________________________

Date: _____________________________________________________________________________

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 4:54am

Amanda,  Here is some Laws from the Umdat Al Salik or Sacred Islamic Law Manual which may help you.

 

a4.2 As for the basic obligation of Islam, and what relates to tenets of faith, it is adequate for one to believe in everything brought by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) and to credit it with absolute conviction free of any doubt.

 

The Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom

 And Safety from Harm for Former Muslims

Whereas:

All four schools of Sunni Islamic law (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali), as well as the main schools of Shia Islamic law, unanimously agree that a former Muslim male, also known as an apostate, must be executed. While some hold that an apostate woman should also be executed, the Encyclopedia of Islamic Law: A compendium of the Major Schools, adapted by Laleh Bakhtiar, states that she should be imprisoned or beaten five times a day until she repents or dies. These specific world renowned Islamic legal authorities join in this consensus:

Head of the Fatawa Council of Al-Azhr, Abdullah al-Mishadd, of Al-Azhar University, the pre-eminent Shariah legal authority, Fatwa issued September 23, 1978: “This man has committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah. As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed…”*

 

Mufti of Lebanon, Beirut, Fatwa issued November 13, 1989: “Now, should the apostate (male or female) persist in his apostasy, he should be given the opportunity to repent, prior to his being put to death, out of respect for his Islam. A misunderstanding on his part may have taken place, and there would thus be an opportunity to rectify it. Often apostasy takes place on account of an offer (of inducement). So Islam must be presented to the apostate, things should be clarified, and his sin made manifest. He should be imprisoned for three days, so that he may have the opportunity to reflect upon his situation. This three-day period has been deemed adequate. But if the man or the woman has not repented of his or her raddah, but has continued to persist in it, then he or she should be put to death…”*

 

Ibn Rushd (Averroes), The Distinguished Jurist's Primer, "Chapter on the Hukm of the Murtadd (Apostate),” Volume II, (p. 552), Section 56.10:  “An apostate, if taken captive before he declares war, is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet (God's peace and blessings be upon him), "Slay those who change their din:.  They disagreed about the execution of a woman and whether she to be required to repent before execution.  The majority said that a woman (apostate) is to be executed…”

 

Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, Reliance of the Traveller, translation approved by Al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy and IIIT, 1994 (p. 595): “ o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed….o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserves to die).”

 

Ismail R. Al-Faruki , the Founder of International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), Islam, 1979 (p. 68):  “That is why Islamic Law has treated people who have converted out of Islam as political traitors…[Islam] must deal with the traitors when convicted after due process of law either with banishment, life imprisonment, or capital punishment…but once their conversion is proclaimed, they must be dealt with as traitors to

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 4:31am

Most of Islam is political in nature and about Muhammad.... was meant in the post below.

Comment by ACT Jacksonville on November 16, 2011 at 4:29am

Amanda,

I know Steve Emerson of the IPT who wrote the article and he does not think Manal Fakhoury is not a problem.... quite contrary.   I supplied some material, but the first article was dealing with the donation and Bedier.

 

Dr. Zuddi Jasser of AIFD (American Islamist for Democracy) is a former Navy Officer, Physician, and speaks against Bedier, CAIR, and other Muslim Brotherhood Front groups, and Bediers groups which Manal is a part vocally and is a frequent speaker on Fox News.

He is a plugged in, has my support, is a friend of our cause, ACT for America, and this nation and talks about how Islam needs to be reformed and speaks against Sharia Law.

ONE PROBLEM this patriot has... is ISLAMIC DOCTRINE of the Trilogy (Quran and Sunna (Sira and Hadith) The which are the basis of Islamic Law or the Sharia Law.  The sira is the biography of Muhammed and the Hadith are the traditions of Muhammed (what he did), the perfect man to be followed and most of this trilogy is political in nature and the problem Dr. Jasser has.

He chooses to follow just the peaceful verses or 1st meccan period/early verses which have been abrogated by militant political Islams later verses which carry final Authority, which makes him an Apostate or enemy of the state according to Islam, and why after calling for Muslims to unify in protest against 9/11 and many subsequent calls on the Islamic community have failed and he has less than a dozen follower.... Manal and company are not among this truly moderate group and in fact oppose him.

In addition, Islamic calls for the killing of Apostates and another group we work with called Former Muslims United have a Religious Freedome Pledge which was sent to 46 Mosques and Islamic centers in Florida and Major Leaders, Bedier and Fakhoury center included asking to live in America free from harm, persecution, or threat of death in accordance with Fatwas and Islamic law.... care to guess how many Isamic leaders, Mosques, and if Bedier and Fakhoury signed this pledge?

NONE.... why, they cant... lest they become Apostates or enemies of the state and would be in the same boat as the noble Apostate or Former Muslims and have to live under fear of Vigilanty death from their family, friends, and fellow Islamist as Dr. Jasser has been threatend and others like Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Amil Imani, Walid Shoebat, etc..... 

MPAC another front group did respond saying they would not endorse a group, which Parvez Ahmed former CAIR leader and Jax Human Rights Commissioner used verbatim the same words "Coincidentally".   I imagine Manal and company would use this same tactic or use some excuse were you to ask her to sign such a document.   My email is actjacksonville@gmail.com and would be glad to get you a copy of this pledge for this Moderate and Sweet lady who is a wonderful community leader and advocate of Civil Rights via the UVA to sign.  This is a constitutional issue and a Human Rights issue.... Bedier sits on the Human Rights Commission and Manal is involved with United Voices for America and many other groups.

You can make me a believe if you get this document to Manal Fakhoury, her Husband, and Ahmed Bedier to sign.  If any of these individuals will sign this document condemning specific Islamic laws and fatwa calling for the death of those who leave Islam I will concede you are correct and I am wrong about Manal Fakhoury.

If they refuse for any reason... I will ask you concede on this forum I was correct.  DEAL

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