WND: Witness counters Trayvon Martin media narrative; Says 17-year-old was beating Zimmerman before shooting

Since the NAACP (Al Sharpton and others) is treating this like a cold blooded murder, and we are treated to pictures of this young man when he was 9 or 10 rather than as he looks now which is quite different and more ominous to someone, it tends to slant how people feel about this case, and the media has made a circus of it when the facts are not even yet known.  The NAACP also voiced concerns about Angela Corey being the lead investigator on the case.  http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-03-23/story/naacp-has-some-...  And then, of course, Obama has weighed in, and I, for one, am still scratching my head trying to figure out what possible bearing this young man possibly looking like the son he does not have could possibly have on this case..............or even why he felt the need to weigh in on this case at all from the federal level.  Now, however, a witness has come forward who has indicated, Mr. Zimmerman had a right to be fearful for his life which throws a totally different light on things, and we will have to carefully watch how this investigation moves forward since this case is now in the national spotlight. 

 

Maybe George Zimmerman did act in self-defense when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, whose death Feb. 26 in Sanford, Florida, has been the focus of a media and political circus that even included Barack Obama weighing in this week.

An eyewitness to the incident told police Martin was beating Zimmerman before he shot him.

Zimmerman had called 911 to report the suspicious activities of a youth in his neighborhood, telling the dispatcher that he was following Martin.

On the recording of another 911 call, repeated cries of “help” can be heard before the gunshot.

The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin.

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Martin was wearing a gray hoodie, while Zimmerman was wearing red.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

Zimmerman claimed the shooting was self-defense. Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen. Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

Meanwhile, the attack has been portrayed by most media outlets as a racist, vigilante-style assault by Zimmerman – a half-Hispanic, half-white, self-style neighborhood crime-watch captain – on an innocent role-model black teen-ager carrying only a cell phone and some Skittles.

Obama weighed in on the shooting Friday, saying the incident requires all Americans to “do some soul searching.”

READ MORE HERE:  http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/witness-trayvon-martin-attacked-zimmerman/

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Comment by amanda choate on April 2, 2012 at 11:35am

Patricia, this is the crux of the matter. It has been over a month. If after the investigation he had been cleared, then the police could have released that report. But neither they or the state attorney ever released the conclusions from their investigation. Leading some to believe that it was never fully investigated. And frankly, whether you are talking about forensically, investigatively or publically this case has been bungled from the get go. Part of hte job of law enforcement is to develop a trust relationship with the community they serve. This story stayed pretty low key for about three weeks, the community certainly gave them time to get the answers. None were forthcoming. This not only harmed the Martin's family, but Zimmerman's also, as the police newver came out and said we have investigated this case exhaustively and found no evidence to arrest Mr. Zimmerman. So no one wins here, it is just an exhibition of failure by local and state officials to clarify the situtation.

The offensiveness is the lack of professionalism by these departments.

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 2, 2012 at 8:21am
More information has surfaced via MSNBC but listed on Breitbart as well.
 
MSNBC Concedes Injury To Back Of Zimmerman's Head Apparent On Police VIdeo
Back of George Zimmerman's Head

In this video you hear a reporter say they zoomed in and there is some kind of “abrasion on the back of his head.” Well, look at the photo. I guess there is. If you haven’t heard, NBC altered the 911 call transcript which has led to charges that Zimmerman uttered a racial slur. When the Operator asked: “What does he look like?” Zimmerman answered: He looks Black – but the Operator’s question to Zimmerman was not heard. Vile. Read ... Video showing the injury to the back of George Zimmerman’s Head

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 2, 2012 at 6:45am
Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 2, 2012 at 5:54am

And yes, John, that is pretty much how it has been.  The sharks are looking for blood and have already tried and convicted one of the people without the benefit of an investigation or trial if there is an arrest.

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 2, 2012 at 5:53am

Amanda, I am fully capable of reading the article you posted without you taking out the part that supports your theory of how this went down.  I also read the rest of the article that says the jury is usually not so hot on this type of analysis.  Please understand, unlike you, I am not poo pooing what you found, because I have not tried and convicted Zimmerman like you have, and I still state that I will wait until we have a conclusion on the investigation and know what transpired and what the finding is.  I wasn't there, so I certainly am not knowledgeable enough to know what happened or at least everything that happened. 

 

Comment by amanda choate on April 1, 2012 at 6:28pm
For companies that use voice signature technology, 48% would not be enough of a match to get into your voicemail account.
Comment by amanda choate on April 1, 2012 at 6:15pm
The information in this story is enough alone for an arrest warrant. Did police investigate this evidence? If not, why? If they did why didn't they arrest Zimmerman? This is a fiasco.
Comment by amanda choate on April 1, 2012 at 4:08pm

Ooops! the facts get in the way again.

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.

'Scientific certainty'

On a rainy night in late February, a woman called 911 to report someone crying out for help in her gated Sanford community, Retreat at Twin Lakes.

Though several of her neighbors eventually called authorities, she phoned early enough for dispatchers to hear the panicked cries and the gunshot that took Trayvon Martin's life.

George Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, shot Trayvon, an unarmed 17-year-old, during a one-on-one confrontation Feb. 26.

Before the shot, one of them can be heard screaming for help.

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Forensic voice identification is not a new or novel concept; in fact, a recent U.S. Department of Justice committee report notes that federal interest in the technology "has a history of nearly 70 years."

In the post 9-11 world, Owen says, voice identification is "the main biometric tool" used to track international criminals, as well as terrorists.

"These people don't leave fingerprints, but they do still need to talk to one another," he says.

'The home run'

Though the term "biometric analysis" may sound futuristic, it basically just means using personal characteristics for identification. A fingerprint scanner is an example of a biometric device.

Much as the ridges of a human hand produce a fingerprint, each human voice has unique, distinguishable traits, Owen says. "They're all particular to the individual."

Another benefit of modern biometric analysis, Owen said, is it doesn't require an "in context" comparison. In other words, Owen didn't need a sample of Zimmerman screaming in order to compare his voice to the call. 

The technology Owen used to analyze the Zimmerman tape has a wide range of applications, including national security and international policing, he said. A recently as January, Owen used the same technology to identify accused murderer Sheila Davalloo in a 911 call made almost a decade ago.

Owen testified that it was Davalloo, accused of stabbing another woman nine times in a condo in Shippan, Conn., who reported the killing to police from a pay phone in November 2002.

Davalloo was convicted, according to news reports.

Owen says the audio from Zimmerman's call is much better quality than the 911 call in the Davalloo case. Voice identification experts judge the quality based on a signal-to-noise ratio; in other words, comparing the usable audio in a clip to the environmental noises that make a match difficult.

And the call on which the screams are heard is better quality than is necessary, Owen says.

"In our world, that's the home run," he says.

Not all experts rely on biometrics. Ed Primeau, a Michigan-based audio engineer and forensics expert, is not a believer in the technology's use in courtroom settings.

He relies instead on audio enhancement and human analysis based on forensic experience. After listening closely to the 911 tape on which the screams are heard, Primeau also has a strong opinion.

"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

Zimmerman's call to authorities minutes before the shooting provides a good standard for comparison, Primeau says, because it captures his voice both at rest and in an agitated state.

'CSI' effect

Only one person alive knows exactly what transpired in the moments immediately before Trayvon was fatally shot: Zimmerman, who has claimed he fired in self-defense.

Zimmerman told police he was walking back to his SUV after a brief foot pursuit of Martin, and the teen confronted and attacked him, punching him and slamming his head into the pavement.

Arriving police said Zimmerman was bloodied. One officer wrote in a police report that he overheard Zimmerman telling a paramedic, "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

Angela Corey, the special prosecutor assigned to the case, has yet to decide whether to charge Zimmerman, send the case to a grand jury or decide against charging.

If Zimmerman's self-defense claim is tested at trial, legal experts say a forensic identification of the voice in the 911 audio could be key evidence, either in Zimmerman's favor or to his detriment.

Still, Maine-based audio enhancement expert Arlo West says that today's juries sometimes seem reluctant to accept evidence that's any less conclusive than what they're used to seeing on television.

"I call it the 'CSI' effect," he says, referring to "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," the popular — if not always realistic — forensics-based TV drama. "You get in front of a jury, and they expect a miracle."

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 1, 2012 at 7:57am

The thing that is most upsetting is the democrats were the people in charge of the move to keep slavery, and when their position fell, they became the party of the KKK to force blacks who were republicans back onto the plantation of the democratic party.  The KKK used beatings and lynching to sway blacks and those who helped them fight for real freedom.  The New Black Panthers are part of this movement by this democratic president to change our country and are nothing more than useful idiots using the same type of force democrats used to bring them to the ideology they have now, and in essense, they are now using KKK tactics................what will they do have a lynching without the benefit of a trial or a jury, and will this president do what he did with the voter intimidation and obsolve them of any responsibility for a murder of a man not yet even charged with a crime.  It really is an unwholly mess.

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on April 1, 2012 at 7:09am

They do not have a right to do this. We don't allow vigilante groups that I know of.  They have tried and convicted Zimmerman without an arrest, evidence, or a trial.  This is more of the Obama race crapola.  He has incited this type of behavior by being a racist himself.

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