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Ok, so who is the Tea Party backing for the Republican nomination? For President? I'm sure you all have done more reseach than I have, so I'd be interested in reading your opinions.
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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on
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Jack, Do you believe in the Constitution? I'm wondering because you want to put Marco Rubio in an office he isn't constitutionally qualified to hold. Article II, Section I? That pesky thing that requires a "natural born citizen" to be president, and since the Vice President can become president in a heart beat, or rather lack there of, the office of Vice President as well.
Jack Wright said:I am for Newt all the way. I wanted a Cain/Newt ticket but things as they are a Newt/Rubio ticket would be perfect too. Besides the fact that I think Newt is the best candidate running, he is the only candidate running with any gonads, which is a HUGE issue with me. I do NOT want another weak candidate to run against Obama, Romney is McCain Lite. I think that the whole OWS movement was created in anticipation of Romney getting the nomination. The foundation for an anti-Romney/Wall street campaign has already been laid down; the ground work has already been done. That is why the press and the Washington establishment are doing everything that they can to force Romney on us as our nominee and I don’t know about you but I don’t like being forced to do anything (it’s a freedom thing).
That being said, Romney is NOT a Tea Party supporter; he is a self-described moderate that says that the Tea Party is insignificant and takes us all for granted. Newt on the other hand has been behind the Tea Party from the very beginning and is depending on us to help him get elected and to bring about the revolution needed to get America back on the right track. Romney claims he is pro-gun yet he votes for stricter gun control laws. Romney claims that he is pro-life yet Romney Care allows tax payer funded abortions. He attacked Rick Perry for giving illegal aliens free college tuition while Romney Care gives them free medical care. He claims that he will repeal Obama Care when he actually created the model for it with Romney Care. I do NOT trust Romney and I will NOT vote for him. He has been on every side of every issue. If he gets the nomination I do believe that Obama will be reelected.
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Herman Cain is no longer in the race. Didn't you vote for him? Me neither. Why was that do you suppose? Maybe the Mass Misinformation Network making false charges against him? Innocent until proven guilty stuff that's no longer necessary? And the 16th Amendment only repealed the "apportionment" part of Article I. There is also plenty of evidence that the 16th Amendment was no more ratified than Obama is a "natural born citizen" which is an impossibility if his father really WAS Obama Sr., which is also in doubt.
Jack Wright said:It was unconstitutional until we passed the 16th amendment. If you had done as much research as you claim to have done then you would already know that. You would also already know that Hermans 999 plan was just the first step to getting the Fair Tax passed. 999 was the first step, repealing the 16th amendment was the second step which is actually the first step of the Fair Tax. So no it wasn't half baked. The Fair Tax is the most extensively researched piece of legislation to ever be introduced before congress. Millions of dollars of private unbiased research has been done on it by economists. To call it half baked is just about the dumbest thing a person could say. It is a national sales tax that eliminates the entire tax code, eliminates the IRS, eliminates federal income tax, eliminates medicaid and medicare taxes, eliminates the death tax and about a dozen other taxes along with corporate taxes. It eliminates the embedded taxes in american manufactured goods emediately giving them a competitive edge over goods manufactured in the rest of the world. It eliminates taxes on repatrioted funds held by businesses over seas, instantly creating TRILLIONS of $$ of new capital to come back into this country. Which in turn will emediately bring business, jobs and manufacturering back into this country sparking an economic boom unmatched in the history of the world. Half baked my a$$, 999 was just the first step. But if you had done half as much research as you claim you have done, you would already know that but considering your uneducated comment I think some more research on your part would be in order.
As for him quitting, it was a personal judgement that he made in what he considers in the best interest of his family and I can not fault him for that even if I do not agree with his decision. Believe it or not but they are not true. Everyone of his accusers can be traced back directly to Obama and David Axelrod who is Obama's muscle and right arm man. Hell one of them even lived next door to Axelrod in the same damn apartment building. Do the research on that too while your at it. All you have to do is go to google.com, it will come up on the first page.
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I have to stand up for Jack on this one. We are a nation of laws, or at least are supposed to be. It isn't up to Cain, or anyone else, to prove charges leveled against them, but for the accuser to prove the charges true. Why did he quit if he was innocent? He's not as rich a man as some other candidates. He's also practical enough to know that he was pouring money down a rat hole for no result with the Media jumping on board and pulling the noose tight.
John said:Jack, I guess you didn't really understand the question... "if the stories about Herman Cain were not true, why did he quit? "
I and most everyone else are aware of what he said
And as far as 999 goes, it was half baked! The whole tax scheme is the problem. That's why it came in at the same time as the federal reserve! Do you even know that income tax is unconstitutional? That is the reason we declared independence from England!
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Permalink Reply by Jack on
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Herman quit because his wife asked him to................it was to much for her, it was a very honorable decision. A difficult one that he should be admired for making. He is an innocent and honorable man, an ordained minister with impecable character. "We The People" are totally responsible for what we allowed the establishment to do to him. Where was our protest? Where was our loyalty? When the going got tough, when the gloves came off where were we. We ran and hide like a bunch of self-righteous cowards. We should have circled the wagons around him, we should have been outraged and protested in his defense. He is by far a better man than most of us, he is a better man than I. I like you, did nothing, I like you allowed it to happen. "All that evil needs to flourish is for good men to do nothing" We The People let it happen and many of us are trying to let it happen again with Newt Gingrich. He is "THE TEA PARTY" are we? Or are we going to once again going to sit vack and do nothing and allow the Washington Establishment and it's Media Industrial Complex bring down another good man?.............................I for one have Newts back and am with him til the bitter end.
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Ken, Im sorry but I must have missed a very important detail. To the best of my knowledge Marco Rubio is a natural born american. Born here in Florida, a child of Cuban Immigrants. If you have crediable source to suggest otherwise that is sure one link that I would like you to forward to me. As far as I know he is constitutional qualified to hold the office, unlike the current resident of the white house who is not qualified constitutionally or otherwise......................
btw Ken, thank you for the logical, rational, intelligent two sided conversation. I want to give credit where credit is due...............
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Yes John, elections are won and lost based on "public perception" and a smear job is what is now being done to Newt. Most of what is out there as his "baggage" is again nothing more than false accusations and politically spun propoganda. The house ethics investigation that he was fined for was entirerly the work of the washington establishment. The investigation itself was conducted my Nancy Polosi herself and after a year of closed door meetings ultimately they found nothing of suffient merit to charge him with. However, that didn't matter because the damage had already been done, the public perception had already been created and believed. The FDR comments of his as I have already explained in great detail earlier. They have been completely distorted, spun and taken out of context but again it doesn't matter because once again the damage has already been done, the public perception has already been created and believed by those of you that choose not to look beyond the washington establishments political propoganda.
Just about the only real baggage that Newt has is in his personal life and those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. We are not trying to marry him, we are trying to elect him. The washington establishment does not like Newt, they think that he is dangerous to their power stucture. They fear him because they can not control him. He says what he is going to do and then he does it and he doesn't care whos feelings he hurts or whos authority he questions. Ultimately he answers only to us, the American people and that is exactly why my money and my vote are behind him. He is exactly what this country need at this point in time.
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John, the 16th amendment is in the constitution now. Reguardless of whether ir was properly ratified or not, it's still there and needs to be repealed in it's entirerty. As long as it's there it's law until the American people demand it's repeal. That was my whole point about Hermans 999 plan, it was only the first step in making that happen and getting that done. I will concede your point (for arguments sake) that the 16th amendment is unconstitutional, what would YOU suggest the solution to that is? Answer = repeal it and replace it with a voluntary national consumption/sales tax = The Fair Tax = the most extensively researched piece of legislation to ever be introduced before congress. Millions of dollars of private unbiased research has been done on it by economists. It is a national sales tax that eliminates the entire tax code, eliminates the IRS, eliminates federal income tax, eliminates medicaid and medicare taxes, eliminates the death tax and about a dozen other taxes along with corporate taxes. It eliminates the embedded taxes in american manufactured goods emediately giving them a competitive edge over goods manufactured in the rest of the world. It eliminates taxes on repatrioted funds held by businesses over seas, instantly creating TRILLIONS of $$ of new capital to come back into this country. Which in turn will emediately bring business, jobs and manufacturering back into this country sparking an economic boom unmatched in the history of the world.
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John, as for Newts respect for FDR. He holds his leading this country through WWII in very high reguard and he should. FDR didn't do much else right but as for his strategys in defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan he was damn near flawless dispite all odds. Hell at one point early in the war we had more blow up tanks than we did real tanks. It was a tactic of deception that completely fooled the Germans. So strategically FDR was a master, he was exactly what a commander and chief is suppose to be during a time of war, same as Lincoln.
If they want to take Newts statements out of context then that is their choice. Newt is a master of American History, he knows this country backwards and forwards, he knows the history of this country before it was even a country. He admires, studies, respects, eats, sleeps, lives and breaths this country, it's culture and it's history. They can believe it or not, I really don't give a rats a$$. Reguardless of whether on not he gets the nomination, Newt Gingrich is the smartest man in the race or in any room that he may be in. He is the strongest supporter of the Tea Party left in the race, so if he is going to respect and support us, I am going to respect and support him.
John, even your hero Ron Paul was praising Newt at the debate the other night. He said that he agrees with Newt on everything except foreign policy. So Newt cant be to bad can he?
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Glenn Beck says the following:
“Have you heard my attacks on Barack Obama and Woodrow Wilson? My attacks on Newt Gingrich are light compared to that. He’s a progressive,” Glenn said.
“My problem with Newt Gingrich is he is a progressive, and I will say exactly the same thing that I say about Barack Obama. Barack Obama is a liar. And I believe Newt Gingrich is a liar,” Glenn said.
Glenn brought up Newt’s love for FDR, which is on the record, and how Gingrich has been quick to downplay that affection for progressivism in order to appeal to the conservative audience.
“We have 90 seconds of very short five second clips of him for two decades extolling FDR and the New Deal. And how it fundamentally changed America for the better,” Glenn explained.
Later in the show, Glenn went on to further explain his differences with Newt Gingrich."
See his video here:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/01/24/what-is-the-real-enemy-conserva...
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It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775
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And yes I am a Herman Cain supporter but even before Herman dropped out I was suggesting a Cain/Gingrich ticket followed by a Gingrich/Rubio ticket followed by a Rubio/? ticket. Now I would stilll like to see a Gingrich/Rubio ticket or a Gingrich/Perry ticket or even a Gingrich/Paul ticket.
I really like Herman Cain, I have been listening to him on talk radio for years. He is a big supporter of the Fair Tax which I think would be the best thing to happen for this country since the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
However, as much as I like Herman and think he would have made a great president, I still think that Newt was and still is the smartest man in the race. As long as he can get past his personal baggage in the court of public opinion and can control his temper a little bit I think he has a good shot at beating Obama and saving this country. I personally believe that he is the only candidate running with the gonads and the spinal fortitude to get the job done. That being said, I wish that he would come out and publically embrace and support the Fair Tax but if not, that will just have to be a battle to wage at a later date.
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Jack, you repeatedly give us your opinions with no documentation to back it up. That is nice retorick, but of no value in making important decisions. Note: campaign speeches are not documentation...actions speak louder than words...give me links to your documentation...opinion is not enough. I will certainly listen if you provide something of worth.
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Let me see if I understand your point correctly Jack. Ron Paul made the comment he finally got Neut to agree with him on on some fiscal policies and that equates to praise? FDR was president during WW II and therefore, every decision made on the battle field was made by FDR? No Pentagon, no Generals, no Admirals, and most important of all no young men and women being slaughtered? Have I got that right? And am I mistaken, in my remembrance that FDR confiscated all the gold from private citizens, in direct violation of the Constitution, for ten dollars below market value, and turn around and sell that same gold on the open market at market value? I don't know about you, but I call that "stealing".
It's time for a real conservative, no matter who it is, and it doesn't look like the Republicans have any intention of putting one forward. I guess they could draft someone at the convention, but then what does that say your vote or your opinion is worth to them?
Jack Wright said:John, as for Newts respect for FDR. He holds his leading this country through WWII in very high reguard and he should. FDR didn't do much else right but as for his strategys in defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan he was damn near flawless dispite all odds. Hell at one point early in the war we had more blow up tanks than we did real tanks. It was a tactic of deception that completely fooled the Germans. So strategically FDR was a master, he was exactly what a commander and chief is suppose to be during a time of war, same as Lincoln.
If they want to take Newts statements out of context then that is their choice. Newt is a master of American History, he knows this country backwards and forwards, he knows the history of this country before it was even a country. He admires, studies, respects, eats, sleeps, lives and breaths this country, it's culture and it's history. They can believe it or not, I really don't give a rats a$$. Reguardless of whether on not he gets the nomination, Newt Gingrich is the smartest man in the race or in any room that he may be in. He is the strongest supporter of the Tea Party left in the race, so if he is going to respect and support us, I am going to respect and support him.
John, even your hero Ron Paul was praising Newt at the debate the other night. He said that he agrees with Newt on everything except foreign policy. So Newt cant be to bad can he?
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