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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 26, 2012 at 10:40pm

Is it just me, or did tonights debate suck to anyone else. Not the first relevant question was asked.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 26, 2012 at 10:51pm

R&T, for once I agree with you. That is the same reason that the establishment is afraid of the Fair Tax. It would do the same thing. It would return the power and wealth back to the people. We just disagree on who the real RHINOs are.

I wish that we still had a candidate in the race that supported and promoted the Fair Tax. That is one of the main reasons that I like Herman Cain and wish that he would have stayed in the race. 

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 26, 2012 at 11:01pm

In tonight's debate Gingrich,  Santorum and Romney began talking about how they would each solve the economic problems.  When it became Ron Paul's turn he wisely said no they were all wrong, and began a brief explanation of  Austrian economics.

Since 1914 (When the Federal Reserve was enacted)  the U.S. has been under Keynesian economics, in which debt is considered to be money (see video below which explains).  It has made the establishment and banksters very wealthy and powerful,  If we were to return to Austrian economics the establishment and Federal Reserve would lose that power and money they have enjoyed for so many years.  the money and power would gradually return to the people.  Presidents (with the exception of Andrew Jackson) have lost their lives  trying to overthrow the  the Federal Reserve and Keynesians.

It is no accident that we have RINO and misinformed Republicans.  It is one of the many ways the establishment makes sure Austrian economics never returns.;;they don't want to give you back the power and wealth. Aspen Institute is an educational institution for our politicians.  George Soros is now a major financial contributor and speaker at the Institute, and he is training our politicians (Republicans included).

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 26, 2012 at 11:01pm

 I do understand the opposing views, but I do not agree with them.  Of course Conservatives agree with and like what Dr. Paul has to say.  Who wouldn't?  Even a Liberal Democrat would find it hard to argue with his Liberty and "return to the Constitution" philosophy.   Furthermore, Ron Paul is a highly intelligent and educated man who understands economics enough to see that our pursuit of a "Keynesian" vs. "Austrian" economic  policy along with an Unconstitutional acceptance of a Federal Reserve banking system has brought our once great Nation to the point of economic collapse.   I know our motives are pure and we seek the correct way to fight against the Creeping Socialism that haunts us today.  But, we can't jump from the Socialist Frying Pan into the Fascist Fire.  This is how the Globalists have arranged our Political choice.  Choose Democrat Socialism or Republican NeoCon/Fascism.  Some choice, right?  

We have heard a thousand times "Ron Paul can't win".... "Ron Paul is unelectable".  Are you BRAINWASHED YET ???  
We hear of the oft-quoted "choosing the lesser of two evils".  Yes, a word game "trick bag"... no matter which one you choose, you lose.  Remember, when you choose the lesser of two evils you still end up with evil.  It is better to stick to our conservative guns, and make a statement!   And we should do this precisely because (I believe) we have that choice of two evils only.  Both choices are evil.  So, should we vote Evil (NOT Ron Paul) and maybe throw the election to a different Liberal Republican?  Does it really matter if Romney gets the nomination or Gingrich or Santorum or Jeb Bush?  I say NO!  It does NOT matter!  It not only doesn't matter which of these avowed Globalists gets the nomination for the Republican Party, it does NOT matter who wins the election for President of the United States!  That's right, I said it.  It does NOT matter if it's Hillary, Obama, Jeb Bush (which still might happen), Gingrich or Romney, etc.  Either way, there will be another Anti-American, Anti- Sovereignty, Anti-Bill of Rights Totalitarian  Puppet President in the White House.
We are so far down the tracks on this "Two Party" charade, that it literally doesn't matter any more.  That's why the Globalists have "We The People" tripping all over ourselves trying to figure out which of their Globalist Shills is "electable".  Ha!  The Media will see that whichever of them is "selected" will be elected.  WE NO LONGER have a choice..... Unless WE Vote Ron Paul.  WHY do you think they refused to mention his name for months and months or failed to print his Poll Results or WORSE YET.... FIX those Poll Results?  It's because he is THE ONLY ONE who really is an Outsider, a Constitutionalist and a Conservative.  The Globalists hate that.  So come one, let's do what's best for this still Great Nation, and Vote FOR Ron Paul in 2012.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 26, 2012 at 11:15pm

Bill, that is where we disagree. We both want to reach the same destination we just disagree on which route to take to get there. We can debate Ron Paul til we are both dead and buried. It's not going to change the fact that he is not going to get the nomination and that he can not win running as a third party candidate. I am actually encouraged by how hard the establishment and the media are fighting to keep Newt from getting the nomination. There are a lot of true RHINOs losing sleep in washington these days worrying about their worst case scenario comming to fruition.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 26, 2012 at 11:23pm

Jack, their worst case scenario is NOT Gingrich.  He wouldn't get the TV, Radio, News and internet if they didn't want him to.  Like I said, "they" are perfectly happy whether it's Gingrich, Romney, Obama or Hillary.  Any Globalist will do, as long as they follow orders and will be a "good boy".  Their worst nightmare is the ONLY guy they won't give air time to, give equal debate time to or allow to be heard.... and that is Ron Paul.  It's Ron Paul or a Globalist.   And that might well be a "Republican" Globalist, the Elite do not care.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 26, 2012 at 11:57pm

Bill, they are not going after Ron Paul because he is not a threat to them, at least not yet. He is nothing more than a nuisance to them. They know as well as I do and as well as you do too (even if you want to be in denial about it) that he can not win.

They can not control Gingrich, they have never been able to control Gingrich. That is the whole problem they have with him. That is why they did everything that they could to run him out of the house. The whole ethics thing was a bipartisan attack by the washington establishment to get him out of the way. He is a flawed man, I concede that to you, but then again we all are. If the Globalist, as you call them, had any fear of Ron Paul they would have already set out to destroy him just like they did with Herman Cain.

Herman Cain scared them to death because not only was he not under their control but he threatened their power by championing and promoting the Fair Tax. Passing the Fair Tax would be the largest shift of power from them back to the american people to have ever taken place. Not only that, but he also threatened their ability to keep the black vote under control and they were not about to let that happen. I think that they would have assasinated him long before they ever allowed that to happen.

They don't fear Ron Paul because he is not currently a threat to them and they know it. Newt on the other hand is a whole nother story. They have reason to fear him and they know it. The question is, do enough of us know it too? They don"t fear him because he is one of them, they fear him because he is not. They can not control him and they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep him from getting the nomination. So in the end it really doesn't matter because we will have wasted all of our time debating Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, we will split our vote in the primary between the two and they will hand Romney the nomination. You just made me come to the realization that your Globalists have already won.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 27, 2012 at 12:09am

And so I did..............it wont be the last thing I ever misspell I can assure you.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 27, 2012 at 12:34am

R&T, just for you

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815388/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815398/posts

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/26821

Pretty high ratings for a supposed progressive if you ask me. don't you think?

Ron Paul has high ratings too, I am not comparing the two. I am just pointing out that for someone who is supposedly a progressive he sure does have a pretty conservative voting record.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 27, 2012 at 12:57am

Give it up Jack.  Gingrich is an Insider and a Globalist NeoCon.  You recite ACU , or who THEY think is "conservative"?  The Chairman of the ACU ENDORSED ROMNEY in '08!  The ACU will probably do the same thing this election.  NOW what are you going to do?  Why not think it out yourself?  Vote for the ONLY True Conservative, Ron Paul, "Dr. NO!".  Vote for the man who's message is Liberty, not the man who will take more of your Liberties!  Vote for the man who follows the US Constitution, not the man who ignores it!  Ron Paul 2012.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 27, 2012 at 1:11am

Hello John B.  So you voted for Ron Paul?

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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on January 27, 2012 at 9:56am

Interesting comment, and I love reading other peoples research and comments, but it is extremely hard for me, in fact impossible really, to get the picture of Gingrich sitting next to Nazi Pugnosey stating the world is flat and man made global warming is destroying the world! 

What does our country use the most of to run it's economic engine?  Fuel.  People need fuel to go to work.  People need fuel to go to Disney World and visit Florida's other tourist attractions. So on one hand Gingrich sits there saying we have to do something about global warming, and on the other says we need jobs and to improve the economy.  These are competing interests, not compatible with each other.  Since OBozo took office he has shut down almost all production in the Gulf, except natural gas.  He has stopped the Keystone pipeline.  He has prevented any new oil from being retrieved from our own land, and yet he's perfectly willing to send our tax money to Brazil to help his buddy George Sorros recover oil there, then sell back to us. And who profits?  Did he shut down the Keystone pipeline to help his buddy Warren Buffet profit with his railroad tank cars? 

Gringrich talks out of both sides of his mouth, and lately at the same time.  He will provide you with whatever it is you want to hear.  Last night it was a "hint" that he would make Marco Rubio his vice president.  One small problem. Gingrich claims he, Gingrich, is a "Constitutionalist" and a "historian".  So then why would he suggest a Vice President that doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements of Article Two, Section One?  My copy, including the Declaration of Independence is only 36 pages.  Each page 3.5 X 6.5.  Simple words and a much quicker read than these bills now being passed in multiple thousands of pages of 8.5 X 11.  Has Gingrich never read the Constitution? Or is he pandering for Florida votes?

You say Ron Paul can't win.  I disagree.  Newt Gingrich can't win.  He can never get the number of delegates necessary to win the convention.  That is now being pointed out by the talking heads.  He isn't even on the ballot in Virginia and several other states he would need to win with.  So the one that can't win is Gingrich.  Santorum has the same problem.  So it's either Dr. Paul or Mitt McCain or convention delegates choose the nominee and it's taken away from voter participation.  But I've said before our electoral process has disintegrated to a point where even a banana republic can and does do a better job running elections.

The ghost of Ross Perot is back in our election system.  Everybody is fed up with the status quo.  This bubble, just like the economic bubbles that have been created by Federal Stooges, will burst too.  So which one of the Three Stooges do you like the best? Larry, Curly, or Moe?  In the end it will not be any of them and maybe not Dr. Paul either.  Doesn't leave much to look forward to does it.

Jack Wright said:

Bill, they are not going after Ron Paul because he is not a threat to them, at least not yet. He is nothing more than a nuisance to them. They know as well as I do and as well as you do too (even if you want to be in denial about it) that he can not win.

They can not control Gingrich, they have never been able to control Gingrich. That is the whole problem they have with him. That is why they did everything that they could to run him out of the house. The whole ethics thing was a bipartisan attack by the washington establishment to get him out of the way. He is a flawed man, I concede that to you, but then again we all are. If the Globalist, as you call them, had any fear of Ron Paul they would have already set out to destroy him just like they did with Herman Cain.

Herman Cain scared them to death because not only was he not under their control but he threatened their power by championing and promoting the Fair Tax. Passing the Fair Tax would be the largest shift of power from them back to the american people to have ever taken place. Not only that, but he also threatened their ability to keep the black vote under control and they were not about to let that happen. I think that they would have assasinated him long before they ever allowed that to happen.

They don't fear Ron Paul because he is not currently a threat to them and they know it. Newt on the other hand is a whole nother story. They have reason to fear him and they know it. The question is, do enough of us know it too? They don"t fear him because he is one of them, they fear him because he is not. They can not control him and they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep him from getting the nomination. So in the end it really doesn't matter because we will have wasted all of our time debating Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, we will split our vote in the primary between the two and they will hand Romney the nomination. You just made me come to the realization that your Globalists have already won.

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