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Who will it be???
Ok, so who is the Tea Party backing for the Republican nomination? For President? I'm sure you all have done more reseach than I have, so I'd be interested in reading your opinions.
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Permalink Reply by Barry Lee Phillips on
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Ken, you should have told me it was Colonel West. I donated to his Congressional campaign!
Lee Phillips said:Well said Ken.
In my opinion, some comments were starting to get close to that line. I guess I was just trying to get everyone to think about what they were going to say before they said. Name calling, a/k/a ad hominem attack, does not impress me. In fact, I think it demonstrates that the person making that kind of attack lacks a cogent argument and is forced to resort to school yard stuff.
My skin is pretty thick and I learned a long time ago not to hold grudges against anyone, with the possible exception of Barack Obama. I will check out that link.
Ken Stump said:You are correct Lee, but politics is a blood sport. I've seen nothing that should "offend" anyone. If you don't have thick skin, you may get your feelings hurt.
As far as Florida, between early voting and absentee voting, I think most of the votes have already been cast, so it's pretty much a moot point here anyway. However, in November it's another contest. And I would guess by then everyone will have forgotten everything going on today.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I do have a problem when they disagree without ever considering the arguments. Or when they continuously misstate things in order to make an invalid point. And I'm not stating that you fit in that category. Here is a perfect example of a hard hitting political argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8YDnd1Yoyk&feature=player_embed...!
The purpose is to change peoples minds. The Founders were no Casper Milquetoasts either when it came to arguments. It can get personal. But there are boundaries that should not be crossed. With that we will agree.
Lee Phillips said:Okay everyone, this discussion is starting to get personal. We are all going to have to agree that we disagree.
Can we at least agree on that?
I love it when people are passionate about their beliefs, but it is too easy to cross the line and start the insults.
Let's not do that please -- stay civil.
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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on
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Good links.
John said:Gingrich is a member of the CFR and has other troublesome connections...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/22/gingrichs-major-backer-arch...
Bill Jefferson said:Understanding what a Globalist is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4&feature=player_embedded
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Soooooo, you say you were part of the OWS crowd eh? I can tell by the cut of your cloth you are part of the 1%. lol
John said:Okay... I'm sold! I'm with Newt now! here's why...
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Well said.
Roma and Tom said:Bill,
Recently someone commented they have deleted friends on face book that support Ron Paul, and I see comments from Ron Paul supporters acting like they are so superior to conservatives. On either side it is stupid, and it is the very elitist attitude we are fighting. It is playing right into the hands of the progressives/globlists/communists, whatever you want to call it... They want us divided because that way we are so occupied fighting each other that we powerless to deal with the real enemy...fighting two war fronts.
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Since 1914 we have all been indoctrinated with progressive/globilists propaganda. I have been reeducating myself for several years now studying early textbooks, documents and encyclopedias because the modern stuff is full of misinformation, and I am still learning. So none of us have all the answers (not even you), I am just grateful that some are waking up to the fact that they do not have all the answers, and are willing to learn. Learning requires first the humility to know we do not know everything.
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We have much to learn from each other, and we are allies in that we want a return to the Constitution even though we don't understand what that means yet, but we are learning. So I am asking you to come down off of the high horse/ elitist/ superior attitude because you are doing Ron Paul more harm than good.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on
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Apparently Lee believes that 19 A-Rabs with boxcutters defeated the greatest air defense system in the world in the one area of the world (NY and DC) that has the greatest protection of all. When these same A-Rabs couldn't get a Cessna license and the instructors were shocked that their Cessna abilities were so poor. I guess Lee believes every thing he's EVER seen on TV.
Ken Stump said:Lee, I completely understand your statement about "let's just talk to them" because I felt that way too. For a long time. Ron Paul has done a great job of discussing the economy. Of discussing the Fed. Not so great on discussing National Defense and Foreign Policy. And I don't know why his advisers aren't getting him to rectify that. R&T is right. It is a misconception that has existed for too long that Ron Paul is either an isolationist or weak on defense. He isn't. He's against government waste, pure and simple. He's against America's nation building activities, plain and simple.
Now you asked the question "You do remember 9/11 don't you?" Well, I sure do. And if you think the security theater that the government has been using to take away our liberty, for the sake of false security is the way to go, then the three stooges that represent mainstream Republican Failure, is the candidate for you. Just pick one. They are all three the same anyway so it doesn't really matter. Pick Romney because that way you will probably pick the "winner". Unfortunately you and I will both be the losers. If you liked the Soviet Union style of government, you can pick any one of the three stooges or keep OBozo. All four will get is there. It's just whether you want to ride the bullet train with OBozo, or take the old family sedan of Romnie, Gingrich, and Santorium.
If you drink from a poisoned well there is only one who wins. The Grim Reaper. But if you drink instead from the well of pure sweet water, then the Death of America will have to wait longer to rejoice.
Lee Phillips said:I think for myself and I don't support imperialism on the part of the United States to gain hegemony over other countries.
I do support the judicious use of military force to strike enemies who are bent on the destruction of the United States. If they reside beyond our borders, then so be it.
You do remember 9/11 don't you? If Americans think that radical Islamists don't want to destroy this country, then they are deluded.
All that Ron Paul nonsense about "let's just talk to them" is just that -- nonsense. You cannot "talk" to someone who has taken a blood oath to destroy you. They won't listen -- they just detonate the suicide vest.
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Glenn Beck (Anti-American Globalist) endorses Newton Gingrich (Anti-American Globalist)..... and the punch line is?
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History is replete with examples of destroyed defenses that were thought impregnable. For every defense there is a countermeasure. The French thought the Maginot Line would stop another German invasion after WWI. The Germans used blitzkrieg, which was a new tactic, to defeat the Maginot Line in WWII.
The danger is believing that you cannot be defeated by a determined enemy. That kind of inflexible thinking leads to destruction. The United States should have learned a lesson from the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, but we didn't.
Bill Jefferson said:Apparently Lee believes that 19 A-Rabs with boxcutters defeated the greatest air defense system in the world in the one area of the world (NY and DC) that has the greatest protection of all. When these same A-Rabs couldn't get a Cessna license and the instructors were shocked that their Cessna abilities were so poor. I guess Lee believes every thing he's EVER seen on TV.
Ken Stump said:Lee, I completely understand your statement about "let's just talk to them" because I felt that way too. For a long time. Ron Paul has done a great job of discussing the economy. Of discussing the Fed. Not so great on discussing National Defense and Foreign Policy. And I don't know why his advisers aren't getting him to rectify that. R&T is right. It is a misconception that has existed for too long that Ron Paul is either an isolationist or weak on defense. He isn't. He's against government waste, pure and simple. He's against America's nation building activities, plain and simple.
Now you asked the question "You do remember 9/11 don't you?" Well, I sure do. And if you think the security theater that the government has been using to take away our liberty, for the sake of false security is the way to go, then the three stooges that represent mainstream Republican Failure, is the candidate for you. Just pick one. They are all three the same anyway so it doesn't really matter. Pick Romney because that way you will probably pick the "winner". Unfortunately you and I will both be the losers. If you liked the Soviet Union style of government, you can pick any one of the three stooges or keep OBozo. All four will get is there. It's just whether you want to ride the bullet train with OBozo, or take the old family sedan of Romnie, Gingrich, and Santorium.
If you drink from a poisoned well there is only one who wins. The Grim Reaper. But if you drink instead from the well of pure sweet water, then the Death of America will have to wait longer to rejoice.
Lee Phillips said:I think for myself and I don't support imperialism on the part of the United States to gain hegemony over other countries.
I do support the judicious use of military force to strike enemies who are bent on the destruction of the United States. If they reside beyond our borders, then so be it.
You do remember 9/11 don't you? If Americans think that radical Islamists don't want to destroy this country, then they are deluded.
All that Ron Paul nonsense about "let's just talk to them" is just that -- nonsense. You cannot "talk" to someone who has taken a blood oath to destroy you. They won't listen -- they just detonate the suicide vest.
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Get a grip guys, the "official story" of 9/11 is a fairytale, full of holes and containing hundreds of lies. You really don't know that? You've really never researched the "story" or thought this through on your own? You should, it's a little bit important.
Lee Phillips said:History is replete with examples of destroyed defenses that were thought impregnable. For every defense there is a countermeasure. The French thought the Maginot Line would stop another German invasion after WWI. The Germans used blitzkrieg, which was a new tactic, to defeat the Maginot Line in WWII.
The danger is believing that you cannot be defeated by a determined enemy. That kind of inflexible thinking leads to destruction. The United States should have learned a lesson from the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, but we didn't.
Bill Jefferson said:Apparently Lee believes that 19 A-Rabs with boxcutters defeated the greatest air defense system in the world in the one area of the world (NY and DC) that has the greatest protection of all. When these same A-Rabs couldn't get a Cessna license and the instructors were shocked that their Cessna abilities were so poor. I guess Lee believes every thing he's EVER seen on TV.
Ken Stump said:Lee, I completely understand your statement about "let's just talk to them" because I felt that way too. For a long time. Ron Paul has done a great job of discussing the economy. Of discussing the Fed. Not so great on discussing National Defense and Foreign Policy. And I don't know why his advisers aren't getting him to rectify that. R&T is right. It is a misconception that has existed for too long that Ron Paul is either an isolationist or weak on defense. He isn't. He's against government waste, pure and simple. He's against America's nation building activities, plain and simple.
Now you asked the question "You do remember 9/11 don't you?" Well, I sure do. And if you think the security theater that the government has been using to take away our liberty, for the sake of false security is the way to go, then the three stooges that represent mainstream Republican Failure, is the candidate for you. Just pick one. They are all three the same anyway so it doesn't really matter. Pick Romney because that way you will probably pick the "winner". Unfortunately you and I will both be the losers. If you liked the Soviet Union style of government, you can pick any one of the three stooges or keep OBozo. All four will get is there. It's just whether you want to ride the bullet train with OBozo, or take the old family sedan of Romnie, Gingrich, and Santorium.
If you drink from a poisoned well there is only one who wins. The Grim Reaper. But if you drink instead from the well of pure sweet water, then the Death of America will have to wait longer to rejoice.
Lee Phillips said:I think for myself and I don't support imperialism on the part of the United States to gain hegemony over other countries.
I do support the judicious use of military force to strike enemies who are bent on the destruction of the United States. If they reside beyond our borders, then so be it.
You do remember 9/11 don't you? If Americans think that radical Islamists don't want to destroy this country, then they are deluded.
All that Ron Paul nonsense about "let's just talk to them" is just that -- nonsense. You cannot "talk" to someone who has taken a blood oath to destroy you. They won't listen -- they just detonate the suicide vest.
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Permalink Reply by Jack on
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Im not getting personal, just getting tired of the pointless, endless arguments. You guys win, Lee and I are complete idiots, Ron Paul has an intelligent impressive foreign policy that will bring peace and tranquility to the entire world. So much so that we can cut our millitary budget down to $0.00. After which we can ballance the budget, feed the hungry and house the homeless and do it all while cutting all taxes.
Then you are welcome to tell Lee and I "see you told us so" and we will bow at your feet and marvel at your knowledge and beg for your forgiveness for ever doubting you guys in the first place.................Anything else you guys want us to agree with you on while we are at it? Oh yeah, 9/11 really was an inside job. There really wasnt any terrorists, the planes and everything else were really a govermental illusion created by George Bush and his administration. After all the planes weren't even real, the towers were actually brought down by controlled demolition.
There you guys can be happy now, you defeated our weak arguments with your amazing debating skills. You have educated us far beyond our limited resources and illogical thought processes. We are sorry that we ever doubted any of you. Please forgive us.
I don't know about you Lee, but I have learned the error of my ways and am now going to vote for Ron Paul, how about you?
Nothing personal, just tired of arguing with people who think that they are always right and no ones opinion matters but their own. After all isn't that what Ron Paul says. Its our fault that others hate us and that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone. So in his spirit of things I give up and forfeit, now there is no need to hate me or call me stupid anymore. There is no need to put words in my mouth anymore, that I never said. Now all we have to do is sit back and be happy, peace and tranquility are on their way.
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John I consider you my brother not just my friend. The cult like comment was not a personal attack, sorry that you feel the need to take it that way. I disagree with a lot of people on more than just politics and religion and have never felt the need to take any of it personally. As for being an idiot, think what you will, that says a lot about your character as well. However, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black and since we actually know each other personally if I wanted to hurt your feelings I know of sorer spots to dig. But believe it or not I have a lot more character and respect for you than that.
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For both of you guys, since your friends, the argument really has no meaning anymore. Florida has already been decided by early voting and absentee voting. The clean up tomorrow will only reinforce the decision already made. All that's really left is to see what the resulting vote count is tomorrow night.
The next opportunity for people to change each others minds is September when the final candidates are known. The other thing I might add is that you don't change peoples minds through emotional arguments. Only intellectual arguments win the day. Being both passionate and intellectual does the best. You also have to actually "listen" to what your opponent is saying with an open mind. Otherwise instead of debating, you're just engaging in pointless argument.
Jack Wright said:John I consider you my brother not just my friend. The cult like comment was not a personal attack, sorry that you feel the need to take it that way. I disagree with a lot of people on more than just politics and religion and have never felt the need to take any of it personally. As for being an idiot, think what you will, that says a lot about your character as well. However, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black and since we actually know each other personally if I wanted to hurt your feelings I know of sorer spots to dig. But believe it or not I have a lot more character and respect for you than that.
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That was my whole point Ken...............nobody is listening. The argument is really pointless anyways since Romney is going to get the nomination reguardless of how much time we spend debating each other. The Tea Party has pretty much proved itself irrelevant by staying neutral and not endoursing any particular candidate. Not that I want someone choosing my candidate for me but on the grand scheme of things I think that it would have been a good idea for us "We the People" to have taken our own vote and then trying to join together and support the peoples choice. As it is, we are divided so thin that we really aren't going to have any influence on the outcome of the primaries. We might make a difference in the general but by that time our candidate will in fact have already been chosen for us. It is a little depressing if you ask me. I mean if the Tea Party had actually come out and supported anyone of the candidates I would have looked at the greater good that could have been achieved by all of us being united.
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