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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on January 30, 2012 at 2:06pm

Very good points all.  The main problem with the Tea Party endorsing anyone is that it changes the legal status of the Tea Parties.  Due to our wonderful almost free elections, (maybe the old SNL skit of flea erections really is more appropriate) the statists have set the rules, with the help of McCain-Fiengold the establishment gets to pick our nominees.  We get the role of agreeing with them or to go pound sand.  Fortunately there is a lot of sand around Florida to go pound.  I'm taking my sand bucket and shovel to the beach now.  Just to make sure there isn't another sun coming up on the horizon. 

Jack Wright said:

That was my whole point Ken...............nobody is listening. The argument is really pointless anyways since Romney is going to get the nomination reguardless of how much time we spend debating each other. The Tea Party has pretty much proved itself irrelevant by staying neutral and not endoursing any particular candidate. Not that I want someone choosing my candidate for me but on the grand scheme of things I think that it would have been a good idea for us "We the People" to have taken our own vote and then trying to join together and support the peoples choice. As it is, we are divided so thin that we really aren't going to have any influence on the outcome of the primaries. We might make a difference in the general but by that time our candidate will in fact have already been chosen for us. It is a little depressing if you ask me. I mean if the Tea Party had actually come out and supported anyone of the candidates I would have looked at the greater good that could have been achieved by all of us being united.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 30, 2012 at 2:54pm

Yes John, thank you I have watched them and I guess we were right, we are all screwed. However, once again I must remind myself that Ron Paul and Rick Santorum barring an absolute miracle just do not have a chance of getting the nomination. Their supporters are as loyal as they come but there just isn't enough of them. So the choice comes right back down to either Newt or Mitt. I for one absolutely can not stand Mitt Romney so it leaves me only Newt by default. Like I have said several times if Ron Paul's foreign policy wasn't so confusing/weak/controversial he would easily be the clear choice. I know that he still is to you guys, but in my opinion he has just turned off to many voters with his foreign policy to allow him the chance to be a viable candidate/nominee. It may suck but it is what it is.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 30, 2012 at 2:59pm

The "official" 9/11 story is a fairytale.

The people who created the fairytale are Globalists.

The Globalists control all Mass Media.

The Globalists lie to you every day, all day.

Some people do not understand that they are being lied to.

These people tend to believe what they see and hear and read in the Mass Media.

Anyone who stands up to the Globalists and Mass Media is a "good guy".

The power of the Mass Media is so strong that normal thinking people become "hypnotized".

The hypnotized people can no long think "outside the box".

The hypnotized people do not realize that they are "aiding and abetting" the Globalists.

The hypnotized people have "swallowed the blue pill" and prefer to live in a Globalist dream world.

They non-hypnotized have "swallowed the red pill" and prefer to live in the real world.

Please do some basic research and take the red pill.  The truth will set you free.

Ron Paul 2012.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 30, 2012 at 3:11pm

And yes John, since I have been on here posting I have been called an idiot, a neo-con, a progressive, a moron along with a large host of other things. I have recieved hate mail from people accusing me of being everything except a child of god. And it just so happens that every last bit of it has came from Ron Paul fanatical cult like family members. That however wasn't personally directed at you or anybody else. It is however an observation of the passionate and somewhat obsessive supporters of Ron Paul's. I believe that their agressive/hostile attitudes are doing Ron Paul more harm than good.

I personally support The Fair Tax and those that support it. Herman Cain was my man. I think it was a shame that "We The People" failed him and failed ourselves by not rallying behind him and defending him from what was nothing more than a character assasination from the washington establishment and those that feared him.

That being said, it is what it is and there isn't anyone left that supports the Fair Tax. So like I said in my last post, I am left with Newt by default. He is not my first choice but he is the only real viable choice left because I will not vote for Romney.

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 30, 2012 at 3:22pm

Jack, I agree with you in  that some Ron Paul supporters do him more harm than good.  However the following link to fair tax says Ron Paul favors the fair tax.  http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_presScorecard

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 30, 2012 at 3:44pm

R&T, I have only heard him briefly comment about it once and when I brought the subject up on here earlier for discussion I was told that it is a stupid idea and that Ron paul has a better idea. Yet another lost opportunity to converse and educate each other to different points of view.

I think that Paul's supporters have done more damage to his campaign than his inabillity to clearly explain his foreign policy, if in fact his foreign policy is different than what it is percieved to be by the majority of the confused and stupid voting public for which I have been told that I am a member of.

If Ron Paul or any other candidate for that matter supports The Fair Tax then they should be vocal about it. If a candidate knows that his policies are being misrepresented in the minds of the voters then they too should be vocal about it. If they can't even do that then what kind of president would they be? Its sad because I actually really do like Ron Paul but his campaign advisors and his fanatical supporters have done irrevocable damage to his viability as a candidate in my opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 30, 2012 at 3:55pm

 Jack, If I have ever offended you, I apologize.  Perhaps this information will will help...

If Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad as we are told, why are the active military men donating more to him than any other candidate.  Do they know something we are not being told?  Why are overseas military absentee   votes  not counted ....arriving late, and thus not counted...is that planned?

documentation:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?cycle=2012&id=N00...

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/01/military-donors-still-prefe...

And why does the news media not report on how Ron Paul Voted on Foreign Policy, but instead give us demonstrative remarks like "dangerous"...His Foreign policy is based on the Constitution, so that is like calling the Founders foreign policy "dangerous", and people swallow that.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Foreign_Policy.htm#Voting+...

• Avoid ratifying Law of the Sea Treaty. (Sep 2007)
• Voted NO on supporting democratic institutions in Pakistan. (Jun 2009)
• Voted NO on cooperating with India as a nuclear power. (Sep 2008)
• Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)
• Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005)
• Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
• Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
• Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
• Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
• Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
• Allow Americans to travel to Cuba. (May 2000)
• Foreign aid often more harmful than helpful . (Dec 2000)
• Ban foreign aid to oil-producers who restrict production. (May 2001)
• Sponsored bill invalidating International Criminal Court. (Mar 2003)
• Sponsored bill to end the Cuban embargo. (Apr 2003)
• Sponsored resolution to withdraw from UNESCO. (Jun 2004)
• Member of House Foreign Affairs Committee. (Mar 2011)
• Allow travel between the United States and Cuba. (Feb 2009)

http://www.ontheissues.org/ron_paul.htm

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American tax payers have provided Germany 100% of their military for over 60 years.  It was understandable after WWII to do this.  But this is no small feet for the American people.  I am a military brat, and know it means ships, planes, tanks, armaments, commissaries, schools , hospitals, PX s,  country clubs, family housing, foot soldiers, ext.  Germany can well afford their own military now, or at least to pay for the cost of these things since it is bankrupting this Country.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 30, 2012 at 3:57pm

Here is the WAR you so badly crave.

Here is your "Nation Building".

Here is "Democracy" spread to those in need.

Here are the children, dead and crying.

Here are your tax dollars at work.

Here is what ANY of the Globalist Shills will continue when elected.

Here is another chance to take the "red pill".

Here is what the Globalists love and endorse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGuR7FvGMqk&feature=player_embed...

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 30, 2012 at 4:00pm

Nothing John, so why did you find it nessesary to take it as a personal attack? I may not agree with you on a host of different issues but I still have the upmost respect for you. Still not sure why you thought that I was mad at you before but that is a whole nother conversation.

 

And R&T, if Gary Johnson had a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination I would consider supporting him too. I am not a one issue voter but The Fair Tax and getting rid of the IRS and the current tax code is a huge issue to me and carries a lot of weight.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 30, 2012 at 4:00pm

"You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to

believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole

goes."

-Morpheus

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Permalink Reply by Bill Jefferson on January 30, 2012 at 4:05pm

You may block me, that's OK.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGuR7FvGMqk&feature=player_embed...

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 30, 2012 at 4:10pm

 P.S.

1.  The IMF says their goal is Global Governance. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2007/12/boughton.htm.  That is why Ron Paul voted not to give 156 M to IMF

2.  Yes, Ron Paul Supports the Fair Tax, but he wants to go further just that.  He wants to cut the size of government...to get rid of needless departments, and waste.  Pentagon contractors are paid ridiculous prices (exp 50.00 for a screw driver), while our wounded do not have adequate care when they return home.  Ron Paul wants to take from the budget of the suppliers, and give more to the care of the troops. Remember he was a military doctor before going into private practice,

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