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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 31, 2012 at 1:43pm

Well I don't think Ron Paul currently stands a chance, it's late in the game and the numbers just are not on his side.

I am not sure at this point that Newt has much of a chance either. I am hopeful but realistic. I am affraid that the establishment has already won, it just hasn't played out yet. They have done everything that they could to give it to Romney and it has probably worked. I believe that the republican establishment has actually cut off it's nose to spite its face because they are doing everything that they can to alienate us/Tea Party/their base in the process. They have done all of this in order to give Romney the nomination and by doing so I think that they have probably handed Obama the election on a silver platter. I am not sure that Romney can win the general.

Which really sucks because I believe that any one of the other candidates originally in the race could have easily beaten Obama, including Ron Paul, if we hadn't let them divide us and dilute us so thin. So logic and reality tells me that really we have already lost. Todays results may change that but if you believe the poll numbers it's already a done deal.

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 31, 2012 at 2:12pm

That is exactly what the establishment hopes we will believe. In studying the Founders great courage in even greater diversity, like them,  I refuse to surrender.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 31, 2012 at 2:29pm

Roma, I am not surrendering couldn't even if I wanted to, its just not in me. Why do you think that I am still on here trying to teach and educate each other?

I am however expressing reality. There is no denying it. It is much harder today in a nation of millions to be heard and to make a difference as an individual than it was back in the days of our founders. The numbers are not on our side. Stating the obvious is not surrendering. It takes great courage but it also takes logic and common scense too. Just wanting to elect Ron Paul isn't going to make it happen. People are stupid and stupidity can be fatal. Stupidity is however in the majority right now. We can do our best to educate people, to help wake them up, to make them open their eyes and see what is around them but we can not afford to deny reality in the mean time. You have to play your hand with the cards that you are dealt. Ron Paul is not currently a winning hand. Do you want to fold your hand or would you like to try another card? 

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 31, 2012 at 3:09pm

Well Jack, I am glad you agree with importance of educating the people about the Constitution,  its history, and even Ron Paul.   Here is an excellent place to begin: Education For Liberty: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/education.php  Be sure to share with us what you learn...I need all the help I can get.

Through communication we all discovered that we agree more than we disagree, and we can learn from each other.  

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 31, 2012 at 3:11pm

Ron Paul is not clearly expressing his policies and beliefs. He, you and I can continue to educate people, thats great but here today, right now in this election we are not there yet, the numbers are against him. We need to acknowledge that and make appropriate adjustments in the mean time.

How does that saying go? "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single footstep." You can't get there over night, it is going to take more than one or two elections. Ron Paul is not going to get elected this election. Our fight right now is with the washington establishment and trying to keep them from nominating their candidate. After that our goal is to get Obama out of the white house and  to get as many of our people in the house and senate as we possibly can. Those are our next steps. We can continue to educate people and promote conservatism and the constitution along the way but we can not afford to stop walking in the mean time. If we do that then we will never reach the end of our journey and this is all just meaningless rhetoric.

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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on January 31, 2012 at 3:12pm

I agree with Jack on this one, at least to some extent.  People are stupid.  People are inherently lazy.  Most people do what they "have" to do to get by.  Not all, but the majority.  This is why Communism, Socialism and similar Utopian types of civilizations won't work.  It's why our labor costs are as high as they are in Union States (Michigan) and it's why our government is so bloated.  

Let's say you have an "overachiever" that works for Government Motors.  First, he's going to get reprimanded by the Union Boss for making the others look bad.  I know.  It happened to me.  Then the average joe is going to see the lazy Obama supporter sitting beside him picking his nose more than completing his job.  And he'll see that the lazy guy makes just as much as he does for half the work.  Then they'll all go and get stoned over lunch, then go back to work and screw up whatever they make. 

When America was colonized it was set up under a Marxist theory.  Some worked to till the land, and worked hard.  Some hunted meat and worked hard.  Some found some shade and loafed.  The settlement almost starved to death and the leader changed things real quick, because he knew who was doing what.  That's when "capitalism" and property rights began. You got your little piece of land, you worked, you got whatever you produced. 

Now, there are no property rights.  You own your home and land and have for four generations, so what?  Some developer comes along, tells the city he can do X and increase their revenues, but he needs your property to do it.  The city misapplies eminent domain and takes your land.  The progressive SCOTUS (Stevens to be precise) says that's okay, even though to exercise eminent domain can only be done for a "public" purpose.  Raising tax revenue is now a "public" purpose.  And this is okay with the majority of Americans because they are stupid.

Our children are indoctrinated in public schools, not educated.  Their parents are too busy working to pay the tax bill and have a little left over for themselves, so they let it go on.  Stupid.

Republicans call themselves "conservatives", but they stack the deck (or the media stacks it for them) to where today we have a choice of three progressives and one conservative.  Nobody thinks the conservative can win, so they vote for one of the progressives.  It doesn't matter which one, the establishment gets what they want with any of the three.  Stupid. 

So, I agree with Jack.

John said:

Au contrair, mon ami...

People are NOT stupid! Indoctrinated, misinformed, deceived...  ect

And your right that we need to educate people! That is what Ron Paul has been doing! That is what is the effort I want to join in on!

Do you know why in Iowa and New Hampshire that Ron Paul got 50% of the 18-29 year old vote? And why?

What is the nations greatest problem?

Jack Wright said:

I am however expressing reality. There is no denying it. It is much harder today in a nation of millions to be heard and to make a difference as an individual than it was back in the days of our founders. The numbers are not on our side. Stating the obvious is not surrendering. It takes great courage but it also takes logic and common scense too. Just wanting to elect Ron Paul isn't going to make it happen. People are stupid and stupidity can be fatal. Stupidity is however in the majority right now. We can do our best to educate people, to help wake them up, to make them open their eyes and see what is around them but we can not afford to deny reality. You have to play your hand with the cards that you are dealt. Ron Paul is not currently a winning hand. Do you want to fold your hand or would you like to try another card? 

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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on January 31, 2012 at 3:29pm

Ron Paul is not going to get elected because people don't have the courage to vote their convictions.  That's the only reason.  If people voted for what they actually believed in Ron Paul would win in a landslide that would dwarf that of Regan.  Everyone knows we can't keep spending at the rate we have been.  But who's willing to do anything more than give it lip service?  Instead the focus on Iran.  I don't like Ron Paul's comments on Iran either.  But I don't live there.  And if there is no US because we have gone bankrupt, who is going to protect the world from Iran then?   Yak, yak, yak.  Where is the do, do, do?

Jack Wright said:

Ron Paul is not clearly expressing his policies and beliefs. He, you and I can continue to educate people, thats great but here today, right now in this election we are not there yet, the numbers are against him. We need to acknowledge that and make appropriate adjustments in the mean time.

How does that saying go? "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single footstep." You can't get there over night, it is going to take more than one or two elections. Ron Paul is not going to get elected this election. Our fight right now is with the washington establishment and trying to keep them from nominating their candidate. After that our goal is to get Obama out of the white house and  to get as many of our people in the house and senate as we possibly can. Those are our next steps. We can continue to educate people and promote conservatism and the constitution along the way but we can not afford to stop walking in the mean time. If we do that then we will never reach the end of our journey and this is all just meaningless rhetoric.

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Permalink Reply by Jack on January 31, 2012 at 3:48pm

People are not voting for Ron paul because Ron Paul has done a piss poor job of getting his message out there clearly. He makes comments repeatedly that do nothing but further confuse the american voter half of whom are sucking on the tit of the american tax payer.

With most it has nothing to do with conviction or principle. Until the average uneducated, misinformed american voter understands exactly what his beliefs and policies are he is going to continue to have the numbers against him.

So if that is the case he is not going to get the nomination or win the election. If that is true then what do you suggest we do? Vote for Paul knowing that by doing so we might as well be voting for Romney? Or vote for Newt and hope that there are at least enough of us to keep Romney from getting the nomination?

One step at a time guys, we have got to keep walking, we have got to stay focused on the journey to our destination. Going down the wrong path because of the right principles in the end still gets you lost and leads you no where.

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Permalink Reply by Roma and Tom Cox on January 31, 2012 at 4:14pm

I suggest you vote your conscience Jack.  For me,  I cannot tell my children and grandchildren I followed the sheep over the cliff because I thought they   would not follow the path of reason. 

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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on January 31, 2012 at 6:47pm

This just in.  Exit interviews indicate that 45% voted for who they thought could best beat Obama.  Only 13% voted for who they thought was the most conservative.  To recap, Florida voters believe that running the Titanic into an iceberg doesn't really matter, but who is at the helm does!

Jack was right.  People are stupid.

I'm with you Roma and Tom, I can't tell my grandchildren I did nothing to keep them from becoming slaves to the the State.

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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on January 31, 2012 at 7:05pm

Me too John.  Me too.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Tisdell on February 4, 2012 at 1:07pm

Just out of curiosity whar is it that we are researching? Who will representing the Republican Party or who will represent the position of our Constitution, our Bill of Rights and the liberties and freedoms our founding fathers bequeathed to all Americans. Just who is that person? Because no matter who rides up on our behalf that person is in so many ways judged to not be that person we all so desperatly need At this juncture of time I have no eartly idea who that will be. I am looking for that person who rides onto our battle field much like William Wallace did in Braveheart and tells his enemy infront of his "bendover" compatriots that "My name is William Wallace and I am here to pick a fight. That is the person I want to represent me as a leader on Americas behalf. You might ask yourself if the "Establishment" will allow such a person? Do we really have a say as to what happens in America. Not until the American people make that scripted statement that we all need to shout from mountain tops across our land..."I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore." Think about it!

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