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Who will it be???
Ok, so who is the Tea Party backing for the Republican nomination? For President? I'm sure you all have done more reseach than I have, so I'd be interested in reading your opinions.
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Permalink Reply by Jack on
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Jerry, that person doesn't stand a chance until We The People quit letting the establishment destroy them with negative ads and character assinations. Herman Cain has impeccable character but yet we let them destroy it with false, unsubstantiated allegations, all of which could be traced directly back to Obama and David Axelrod. One of his accusers actually lived next door to Axelrod in the same apartment building. Yet the average uninformed, holier than thou, conservative voter abandoned his ship at the very moment that they should have circled the wagons for him, at the very moment that they should have dug their heels in and defended him.
If we are waiting for a perfect candidate, one that can withstand the attack of false rumors and false witness then we are really really in trouble. The Ron Paul guys have the passion and the loyalty, they just do not have the numbers. The Gingrich people don't have the spine that their candidate does. Everytime you turn around they are jumping ship. Santorum has the social conservatives and that's it. He needs to drop out because he just doesn't have suffient numbers behind him.
I personally would be happy with either Newt or Ron Paul but it's looking more and more like Romney is going to run away with it. Which sucks because out of the eight (main) candidates that started this race he was my last choice, but if we are waiting on the perfect candidate we have already lost.
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Permalink Reply by Patricia M. McBride on
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John, as Bill O'Reilly said the other night on Fox news when someone called to complain about un-even treatment of Ron Paul. Where have you been? Perhaps in Russia or another country where you don't get the news and can't get access to polls? I can help you there sir, Ron Paul is polling at about 7% period. He isn't going to get the nomination, and we must spend our time paying attention to those who have a chance of getting the nomination. You, John, are apparently in the same place as Bill O'Reilly's caller? Not that Ron Paul isn't a fine gentlemen, but he doesn't have enough support even if he is perfect to get nominated.
John said:Who will it be?
The answer to this in my opinion is, answered by looking at the mission statement.
"First Coast Tea Party promotes the principals of our founding fathers and our constitution"
What candidate fits that description? Who has been urging us to return to the constitution?!
Who has been promoting the return to the principals of liberty that our founding fathers laid out?!
Romney? X
Gingrich? X
Santorum? X
Paul? YES!
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John, my dearest friend. We are actually on the same side whether you believe it or not, and we agree a lot more than we disagree. The problem is like Patricia said even if Ron Paul was the perfect candidate he just doesn't currently have enough support to get the nomination, but at this point I really don't think that Newt does either.
They have all run out of time and there aren't anymore rabbits in the hat. So what do we do now?
We can only play the hand that we are dealt. We can still hope Newt gets in but be prepared to hold our noses and vote for Romney if we have to and try to get as many of our candidates into the house and senate as we can while we are at it. This election is not going as many of us had hoped it would but we cant just throw our hands in the air and surrender. We have to keep fighting to make every little bit of forward progress that we can. Eventually if we keep moving the ball forward, even an inch at a time, we will eventually reach our destination.
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Permalink Reply by Ken Stump on
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$$$$$ Nobody drops out of a race unless he doesn't have the $$$$$$$$$$ to keep it going. Cain lost his $$$$$$ from big $$$ supporters. What's he going to do, borrow money on the off chance he might really win? Risk reward. People get out when they can no longer afford to stay in, not because gossip is accurate, not because of accusations. But if the Left Wing Press in the country can cost a candidate their backers, or cause unfounded doubt in the electorate, then they think they did their jobs. And the Sheeple let them do it over and over and over, and get away with it over and over and over.
Jack, if you can, just how many "numbers" does Ron Paul need to win the general election? In raw numbers or percentages, your choice, what are the numbers of people who are going to vote for OBozo, no matter what? How many people are going to vote for Romney or Gingrich or Santorum if they win the primary? And how many people does Ron Paul already have? What would the numbers be if you combined disgruntled Republicans that are sick and tired of RINOS, and what would the numbers be if disenchanted Democrats, Regan Democrats if you wish, were to also vote for Ron Paul? Would he have enough numbers then Jack?
John said:Jack, "perfect candidate" is a subjective term... And I do believe in "to each his own"... And I have no desire to turn you against what you feel is the best in your opinion. I liked Cain too, but that's behind us and as I see it he was unable to withstand the onslaught of whoever you feel was behind the "defamation". I cannot imagine backing down from it if I were not guilty! Just the way I see it. But again, I was not in his shoes. Besides, that is behind us now.
I also can see why you feel Newt would be a strong debater against 0ßama... But as I see it, he has chinks in his "armour"... So does Romney!
As I'm sure you know already, that I feel the candidate that has the constitution as his shield can truly take down the imposter who is trampling our freedoms and rights by trying to make that very shield of freedom, irrelevant! It's not about him, but about we the people...
Jack Wright said:If we are waiting for a perfect candidate, one that can withstand the attack of false rumors and false witness then we are really really in trouble. The Ron Paul guys have the passion and the loyalty, they just do not have the numbers. The Gingrich people don't have the spine that their candidate does. Everytime you turn around they are jumping ship. Santorum has the social conservatives and that's it. He needs to drop out because he just doesn't have suffient numbers behind him.
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If Ron Paul had the numbers to get the nomination I think that he would beat Obama. In fact if anyone of the three remaining (Not Romney) candidates could get the nomination I think that they would get the support in the general and would beat Obama. I am not so sure that Romney will just because of the OWS movement and the anti wallstreet atmosphere currently in the nation. Only time will tell. When I say that RP doesn't have the numbers it is in getting the nomination. ANY TWO of the three remaining anti Romney candidates needs to drop out in order to take the nomination away from Romney and at this point I really couldn't careless which two it is as long as Romney doesn't get it.
As for Herman Cain dropping out, his donations were actually going up considerably. He had the money to stay in the race. However after talking it over with his wife (she basically told him that she couldn't deal with it and wanted him to drop out) he made a very honorable decision, in what he considered to be in the best interest of his family, and dropped out. I personally don't agree with his decision and wish that he hadn't but I can't say that I blame him because I am not in his shoes. He didn't drop out because he was guilty, he didn't drop out because he was out of money. He dropped out because his wife of over forty years asked him to. You tell me what kind of character that takes in a man, it takes more character than most of us have. He is a good man and would have made a great president but we the TP and the american people failed him. We should have been out raged and shouting from the roof tops. Instead we stood silent and let an innocent man of great character be falsely accused and his character assasinated, everyone on here hollors about the constitution and the bill of rights, what about the right of innocent until proven guilty? We failed him, he didn't fail us.
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Many tea party members did show outrage, so we can't say all tea party members didn't. The problem is that if you become engaged in showing outrage for one candidate, you have in essense endorsed their candidacy, and I don't think at that time, the tea party was considering endorsing anyone. And as you have seen, up until now, they have not endorsed a candidate at all, but are hoping the American people will choose wisely. I am not wild about the way things are going, but any of the folks left are far better than what we have, and people will have to rally around the last man standing. If we don't, we can kiss our country goodbye as Obama is taking us off the cliff the UN wants us to go off, so..............................
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The definition of "insanity is doing the same thing over expecting different results". We have been electing the lesser of two evils for years now, and look where it has gotten us. Aynn Rand was right when she said it is the evil that works like a tube sucking us further into the evil we want to avoid.
In George Washington’s Farewell Address of 1796, he actually warned against the party system we now have. He knew that it would be used to divide and manipulate us, and it has come to pass. But we are like the pigs led to the pen with corn...we try to figure out how to survive in the pen rather than how to get out of it. Our actions will lead to our own demise, unless we break ranks with the insanity.
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We can all see what breaking ranks has done for us Roma. It has guaranteed us that we will get the establishment pick as the candidate, so your argument isn't really a very good one or valid, since you and fellow RP supporters don't intend to budge on your guy one inch and have already indicated a write in campaign which is akin to voting for Obama. Others who like other candidates are focused on the primary goal of removing the current resident in the white house and putting in a conservative person (please don't berate my comments about conservative again...........it's my opinion and like you, I am entitled to it). Most people, I would hope, will support the establishment candidate eventually is he wins the nod. You might take a look at the Judson Phillips commentary from today about Priorities and see what he suggests if we get the establishment guy as the nominee as we do have recourse.
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PS: I just posted the Judson Phillips piece about priorities on the web site and although not listed as yet, here is a link that allows you to read it.
http://www.fctpcommunity.org/profiles/blogs/judson-phillips-tea-par...
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you would disagree with breaking ranks with insanity? Na, I think Aynn Rand made more sense than you. She lived through Stalin, and knows what she talks about on this subject.
I also think George Washington was wiser than you. We best listen to them.
Patricia M. McBride said:We can all see what breaking ranks has done for us Roma. It has guaranteed us that we will get the establishment pick as the candidate, so your argument isn't really a very good one or valid, since you and fellow RP supporters don't intend to budge on your guy one inch and have already indicated a write in campaign which is akin to voting for Obama. Others who like other candidates are focused on the primary goal of removing the current resident in the white house and putting in a conservative person (please don't berate my comments about conservative again...........it's my opinion and like you, I am entitled to it). Most people, I would hope, will support the establishment candidate eventually is he wins the nod. You might take a look at the Judson Phillips commentary from today about Priorities and see what he suggests if we get the establishment guy as the nominee as we do have recourse.
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This is off subject, but it should be of concern to all. I fear Ms. Clinton is absolutely correct.
This link sent by Marcie (my tea party friend in Texas), by itself, would not scare me as much as it does when you add the interview of Ms Clinton from a few days ago........pay special attention to the last comment she made at the end of the article which leads me to believe they may try this, because she thinks they can slide stuff through, because we aren't paying attention.
Hillary Clinton Dodging Political 'High Wire'
From: xxxxxxxxxSent: 2/4/2012 9:10:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Obama and 4 un treatiesObama Poised to Betray America Through 4 UN Treaties (Video) (Dick Morris)
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Nice try Roma. I didn't try to set myself above either of the people you are using a your weapon this time. I know that having a conversation with any RP supporter is akin to talking to a liberal, so I quit, but trying to use anyone to justify throwing the election to Obama and get others to follow you off the cliff you want to take off, is as far as I am concerned, is shameful. For some reason, you have spent days and days and days, trying to sway everyone on this site to your way of thinking. I know you haven't noticed, but I don't think it working!
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