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Comment by Steve Tikas on October 11, 2011 at 9:34am

@ Douglas-Yes you are right I have read and those I fully understand.  Thank you for the clarification I had never heard them called that before I always just knew them as our founding documents.

 

@Juan I'm watching the video now it is powerful.  You are right this is a blueprint on how to fight back.  It is scary when you listen to him talk about Lenin and Marx (especially Lenin though) and you think about our politicians on both sides and how well they fit into the mold on Marxist-Leninist.  His creed of freedom is awesome and the basis of what this country should look like.  Everyone should watch the video it is kind of long but very good and something anyone that loves freedom should watch.

 

@ Amanda I don't know why you put much faith (no pun intended) in the values voter people.  The leader of his group discredited his own poll because Ron Paul won.  That shows they are political hacks that speak about values but only when they get their way.  Sorry but that sounds like something Obama would do if they didn't get the results that they want.

 

@Mr. Dungan if you think these protestors are carrying the water for Obama you aren't listening to them very well.  You can talk about where they get their funding all day long but many of these people are sick of Obama, they are sick of both parties and the endless bickering, they might have voted for him but many that voted for him have been hurt far worse then people who didn't vote for him. Look at the unemployment in the black and minority community as well as among the younger generation double and triple the national averages in some cases.

 

The protestors have three big problems.  One they have no specific message (they have a couple of specific demands) but no message everyone you hear is saying something else which makes it easy to spin things anyway someone wants.  Two they don't have anyone speaking for the group so you get hacks like Moore, Obama, Pelosi that speak and no one in the group to tell those people to shut up as they don't speak for the group so everyone else is able to lump them in with the people that come out defending them.  Three they should never have let the labor unions get involved again guilt by association same as with the politicians and talking heads that have said they support them.

 

I'm not saying this in defense of them as I think many of the things they are saying are wrong and I don't agree with many of the ways they have gone about things but I say these things because many views given on here are not accurate.

Comment by w. lee dungan jr. on October 11, 2011 at 9:24am

Patricia M. McBride has just fired the first verbal RPG head shot and obviously has a perfect aim.

SHWEET

Comment by w. lee dungan jr. on October 11, 2011 at 9:09am

these so called activists refuse to face the fact that they bet the farm on a man who had an empty resume, was raised by 3 card carrying communists and his youth consisted mostly of banging his head on the floor of some madrassa in Indonesia. what ever their problems,causes,or possible legitimate  complaints are, it doesn't excuse them from facing the truth elections have consequences .oh by the way for anyone who can't find their GPS the belly of the beast is just below obummers pie hole.

Comment by Patricia M. McBride on October 11, 2011 at 8:54am

Amanda, this protest was started by the Communist Party USA and is funded according to what I read by Soros, so this is far from an organic happening. There may be a few people there who don't understand what and who got this rolling. I also don't appreciate anyone (as they did on the Keith O interview) that the tea party was part of this. I could smell that coming. They are trying very hard to legitimize the effort by claiming the tea party is involved. It is not legitimate period. The reason all these liberals you read and think are so wonderful are toting this is because it furthers the cause they have been promoting since before Obama (the head communist) was elected.  I understand you come here to subvert, and you don't even refer to yourself as one of us but as you and us as separate entities.  You consider yourself to be part of some other movement and truthfully, I have quite a bit of concern about what exactly it is you hope to accomplish????   Surely, you don't think after over 3 years someone here is going to switch over and become a far left liberal???   But you certainly do make all the arguments for that.  These protesters are the useful idiots Obama hopes will take the light off him and his failed policies and as they same, timing is everything isn't it?

Comment by amanda choate on October 11, 2011 at 8:27am

Mr. Stump,

The FIrst Amendment covers speech (and four other rights), the equation of speech=money is fictional construct. It doesn't exist. Further the Bill of Rights protects people not things. I beg you to read Republic Lost and then let's have this conversation.

But back to the point at hand, those pinko commie hippies down at Wall Street.

In 2005 Citigroup published a letter to its large investors regarding plutonomies.

It is very enlightening. In reading it maybe you can understand why these protestors took t heir protest into the belly of the beast.

Here is the link: http://jdeancite.typepad.com/files/plutonomy-1.pdf

"Google" citigroup plutonomy memo and this link you to other cites that explain and debate this memo and its implication.

Finally, when the tea party become backers of Wall Street? When did we get co-opted by these guys?

We are their most ardent supporters now, that is incredible. At the Values Voters summit this week I heard one speaker say that gays were the biggest short term threat to this country. What? And he wasn't booed off the stage. Another said that Mormonism is a cult. Again no booing. That is not what this country is about and for the leader of our local tea party to not get up and walk out is difficult for me to comprehend. That sound to me like a meeting of religous intolerence.And that is not what America has for values. That is fringe stuff that has nothing to do with this group. I hope we didn't pay for this trip.

Comment by Douglas Newberry on October 11, 2011 at 8:11am

Steve,

"The Charters of Freedom" refer to the collection of the Declaration, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I am quite sure that you not only read them, but actually understood them as well.

Comment by Steve Tikas on October 11, 2011 at 7:38am

What don't I have a clue about sir.  Your support of Herman Cain if so I even said it was an guess based on the things you have said nothing more.  Or my idea of the first amendment.  What don't I have a clue about since I talked about both of them in my comment and you don't say specifically.

If you are still speaking to me about our founding documents I have read all of the ones you mentioned except the Charters of Liberty which I will read today.  I have most of the federalist papers but I will admit had a very hard time understanding due to the way they are written but I would say I understood about 60% of them.  I get the major points they are going after in the individual papers just not all of the rational for why.  Thank you for pointing me towards the Charter of Liberty as I had never read that one.

Comment by JL Gawlik on October 10, 2011 at 11:34pm

Steve, you have no clue, i am still vetting as all should be ON ALL CANDIDATES. 

Many of you have forgotten our Constitutional Republic is supposed to be a government OF, BY and FOR THE PEOPLE...

WE THE PEOPLE.

I can see many here should go read ALL the Founding Fathers' Charters of Liberty and Freedom, from the beginning The Declaration of Independence to the end, The Federalist Papers.

Comment by Steve Tikas on October 10, 2011 at 9:33pm

Mr. Stump I'm assuming you made the comment about the first amendment in regards to Amanda's comment about campaign finance reform.  If so please explain how it is that the corporations are given first amendment rights.  It spells out specifically the press if they wanted all corporations to have freedom of speech I would think they would have spelled it out specifically and/or just left out a specific industry.  The press should be free as a form of check on government, which I think we can all agree hasn't happened but why do corporations need freedom of speech. 

Also if individuals have limitations on the amount that can be donated to anything regarding politics why can corporations give unlimited amounts.  Either it should be no limit for everyone or everyone should be given the same limits.  Why do all other amendments speak directly to the peoples rights but somehow the first amendment cover corporations?  I have not had anyone that has given me a good answer to any of those questions I would love to hear one though.

 

@Mr. Payne while I loath communist you are wrong we do not have the right to expel anyone from this country that hasn't broken any laws and hell we can't even do it to the ones that break the laws coming here (but that is a topic for another discussion).  Simply being a commie is not breaking the law.  You are right we can stand against them in unity but we do not have the right to expel them.  Maybe we should that is something you can debate but as it stands right now no we can't simply expel them.

Comment by john payne on October 10, 2011 at 8:26pm

discard those who go to stand with those commies! this is America and we have the freedom to expell communists any day of the week!

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